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What didn't you like about TFA? SPOILERS — Page 45

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Lord Haseo said:

TV’s Frink said:

I will again point out that this Scott guy thinks AOTC is a really good film, so I wouldn’t worry about his opinion on TFA.

Recently he said it was “decent” which is still indicative of someone with wildly unconventional opinions.

Scott109 said:

Also even if he did not his opinion should be respected and not used against him but that is something that Frinks has apparently not learned jet.

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No, you should respect that somone has their own opinion but the opinion it’s self…no. If someone told me that in their opinion minorities were inferior or that pedophiles or serial killers weren’t evil (I know these are extreme examples) I would not respect those opinions at all.

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Ghibili said:

Lord Haseo said:

TV’s Frink said:

I will again point out that this Scott guy thinks AOTC is a really good film, so I wouldn’t worry about his opinion on TFA.

Recently he said it was “decent” which is still indicative of someone with wildly unconventional opinions.

Scott109 said:

Also even if he did not his opinion should be respected and not used against him but that is something that Frinks has apparently not learned jet.

Your opinion that I made up the stillbirth of my daughter deserves zero respect, and you deserve zero respect. Go away.

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Lord Haseo said:

No, you should respect that somone has their own opinion but the opinion it’s self…no. If someone told me that in their opinion minorities were inferior or that pedophiles or serial killers weren’t evil (I know these are extreme examples) I would not respect those opinions at all.

An opinion about an artistic work is different from an opinion about morality . . . .

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Scott109 said:

Lord Haseo said:

No, you should respect that somone has their own opinion but the opinion it’s self…no. If someone told me that in their opinion minorities were inferior or that pedophiles or serial killers weren’t evil (I know these are extreme examples) I would not respect those opinions at all.

An opinion about an artistic work is different from an opinion about morality . . . .

Like politics or morality an opinion is still an opinion and the consensus is that everyone can have them no matter how reprehensible or misguided they are. And a lot of people also believe that like morality opinions on media whether it be movies, video games or music are subjective.

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Nobody should bully someone for their opinions about Star Wars.
There are many types of Star Wars fans, who love and hate all kind of things and different things in the Star Wars movies and in the Star Wars universe.

Accept that and respect each other.

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I think you need to define “bully” or “bullying” because telling someone their opinion is garbage isn’t bullying whereas telling someone they’re a bad person for their preferences on the other hand is.

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imperialscum said:

The more time passes the less I like TFA. It is just somewhat empty.

Good, I was worried we might agree on something.

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imperialscum said:
How is it good for me?

Maybe you’re one of these people now a days who lives to hate things and if so this will be a thing you can add to your list. Assuming of course you’re one of these people.

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Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:
How is it good for me?

Maybe you’re one of these people now a days who lives to hate things and if so this will be a thing you can add to your list. Assuming of course you’re one of these people.

No, I live to like things (those that I can like of course).

真実

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imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:
How is it good for me?

Maybe you’re one of these people now a days who lives to hate things and if so this will be a thing you can add to your list. Assuming of course you’re one of these people.

No, I live to like things (those that I can like of course).

I’m glad that you’re not one of them. Unwarranted hatred of things that don’t deserve it and being a contrarian is so played out now.

I’m sorry TFA wasn’t to your liking and I hope Episodes VII & IX are films you can enjoy.

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I don’t hate things because hating things is putting an effort into things you don’t like.

真実

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I liked the movie, although I did have a few issues with it:

1.) The pacing:
It felt way too fast-paced for a Star Wars movie. I think some more breathing room could have helped it and given my brain more time to process the things that were happening.

2.) The plot becomes less interesting & more nonsensical after the first half:
From the moment the crawl came onto the screen, I was hooked by the story. “Luke Skywalker has vanished”. Immediately my eyes were wide open and I wanted to know what would happen next. The film kept this level of intrigue up for a while. It also introduced new, enjoyable characters like Rey, Finn, and Kylo Ren (who I find to be the most interesting character in the movie).

But then, there were some boring parts and things that didn’t make sense. It was a bit too convenient that Rey & Finn just happened to run into Han Solo in the middle of space. I was scratching my head as to why Han just randomly showed up. Then there’s the whole boring sideplot of the Rathtars. It was so out of place and felt like a distraction from the story I was really interested in. I felt the same way with the Maz Kanata pitstop; I didn’t understand why they even went there. Why couldn’t Han just take Rey & Finn to the Resistance himself without stopping to talk to Maz? It just felt like the tightly focused plot of finding Luke and learning more about Kylo Ren & Rey was lost and the film was stalling. Then, the movie changes gears completely to being about stopping Starkiller base. I didn’t care at all about the trench run because none of the main characters were involved with it. I was, however, interested in the character stuff between Rey, Kylo, and Han during this act.

Overall, despite my criticism, I enjoyed the film. However, I couldn’t help but feel a sense that the meat of the story was being circumvented for more boring story-lines instead. I think this was done intentionally in order to mirror ANH which also didn’t reveal the entire backstory. But with ANH, Lucas probably hadn’t even thought of the entire backstory and so the movie was able to stand on its own. With TFA, it feels like things were intentionally withheld and replaced with less interesting things. Oh well. I enjoyed the characters and look forward to learning more about them and their backstories in future films.

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theMaestro said:
It was a bit too convenient that Rey & Finn just happened to run into Han Solo in the middle of space.

Han tracked them and his ability to track them (and knowing that the First Order would undoubtedly do it too) is why he sought out Maz.

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Lord Haseo said:
Han tracked them and his ability to track them (and knowing that the First Order would undoubtedly do it too) is why he sought out Maz.

Yeah, I’m not saying it’s a plot hole. I did catch that quick line Han made about tracking the Falcon. It still felt a bit too convenient and it took too long to explain what Han was even doing in the movie. I mean, we went through the entire filler Rathtar sequence without understanding why or how Han Solo had stumbled upon the Falcon. Things like that bug me.

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Maybe it happened too fast but the writing around how he found the Falcon was sound.

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Han says “If we could find it on our scanners, the First Order’s not far behind”. And while that is a serviceable explanation, it is one throwaway line that happens nearly 17 minutes after Han first shows up. So a main character shows up in the movie and starts doing things, and it is only after a big chunk of time that we even get an explanation as to why & how he found the Falcon in the first place. That’s my complaint; I know that it eventually gets an explanation and makes sense, but this takes way too long. And it’s still convenient that he just happened to pick it up on his scanners.

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Darth Lars said:

Nobody should bully someone for their opinions about Star Wars.
There are many types of Star Wars fans, who love and hate all kind of things and different things in the Star Wars movies and in the Star Wars universe.

Accept that and respect each other.

Hear, hear!

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Also:

  • I never understood Finn’s motivation for fleeing the First Order and joining the Resistance, especially if he was conditioned from childhood to be evil.

It is as if a screenwriter wrote a movie about a member of Hitler Youth deciding to switch sides and fight for the Allies without explaining the motivation for his decision.

  • I never understood how Rey could be so talented at everything even if she is a Skywalker and even if Luke trained her as a child before Kylo Ren wiped her memory through the Force.

  • I never understood the relationship between the Republic and the Resistance.

  • I never understood how the destruction of the Hosnian system could wipe out the entire Republic star fleet.

The entire Republic star fleet is located in only one solar system in a galaxy with millions of solar systems?

  • I never thought that Han Solo was funny in this movie.

There are a lot of things I find objectionable in The Force Awakens

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Scott109 said:

  • I never understood Finn’s motivation for fleeing the First Order and joining the Resistance, especially if he was conditioned from childhood to be evil.

He most likely was brought up to believe that the First Order were doing the right thing and being confronted with having to slaughter innocent people conflicted with the propoganda he was taught throughout the years. Also Finn is a good person and there’s some people you can’t tear down.

  • I never understood how Rey could be so talented at everything even if she is a Skywalker and even if Luke trained her as a child before Kylo Ren wiped her memory through the Force.

She actually could have been much older when she got her mind wiped. In Kotor when the Jedi wiped Revan’s mind they gave him a life time’s worth of false memories.

Also her being able to fly (but not too well), her mechanic skills and her being able to fight all come from her living on Jakku.

  • I never understood the relationship between the Republic and the Resistance.

It was stated in Hux’s speech but I didn’t really get it on my first viewing either.

  • I never understood how the destruction of the Hosnian system could wipe out the entire Republic star fleet.

I’ve heard that some of it was destroyed and I have also heard that all of it was destroyed. From Hux’s speech it seems like all of it was destroyed though.