John Doom said:
Not if it was just a test. If it wasn’t a test, then of course I guess he could’ve done that, though there’s the old debacle on whether the Force can be used to hold living being, but let’s not go into that.
And like I said before Vader testing the Carbonite chamber on hand is indicative that freezing Luke was initially his objective until Luke escapes.
Well you said lightsabers necessarily had to be handled with two hands while that wasn’t the fact in the PT. But in ESB Vader has no problem using Makashi and for all intents and purposes Luke is trying his best. Or at least trying at any rate.
:\ Don’t twist my words, now: they had to to fully utilize them, because, according to Hamill, it was supposed to be pretty heavy. Since Vader is just playing with him and not using his full strength, he can handle it with just one hand.
John Doom said:
For example, lightsabers necessarily had to be handled with two hands, while in the PT only one hand is needed.
Maybe you didn’t convey exactly what you meant but your words are your words.
Tarkin was just confiding his fears to him.
It came off as a threat.
😄 I knew you would’ve brought this one. She’s taunting Tarkin, not Vader. She never harrasses Vader and definitely fears him after she’s be captured, especially (of course) during her torture.
She’s pretty much calling Vader a lap dog. How is that not insulting him? Also if I’m not mistaken she says this after she’s interrogated.
Nope 😄
If I were a bad guy I would rather be called a creature in a mask or a monster than to be labeled as lap dog any day.
Weren’t you talking about Vader being under Palpatine? I thought you referred to him as in TESB and ROTJ, because he’s nowhere to be seen in ANH, and he wasn’t his master according to that movie, just the Emperor.
Darn, I did at the end of that point but Kylo only takes shit from Snoke and deservedly so while Vader takes crap from Leia and Tarkin.
As I said, he wasn’t “promptly mind raped” for his taunts during his torture, unlike you said. Kylo didn’t react agressivily against one of his taunts, he was being insistent/threatening because that was his mission. Could it actually be he likes to be taunted? 😄
Lord Haseo said:
and tells him the First Order should rethink their technique after his initial interrogation (which was not by Kylo) and is promptly mind raped
Also you can say that him saying the First Order (and him by extension) is a taunt.
Tell it to the viewers. Threatening to the viewers, so they can care for the main characters, that’s my point :\
Well viewers subjected to their own opinions. I have debated with people who say Vader (even in ESB) isn’t a great villain for this or that reason. I’m trying to keep my personal beliefs out of it and talk about what his actions are in the film.
John Doom said:
How about we add this, this and this? Does Kylo do enough of this? That’s a constant threat, to me.
Lets see:
- Kylo killing Lors San Tekka: Beginning of the film
- Kylo stopping Poe’s blaster bolt and putting him in stasis while having a conversation: Beginning of the film
- Kylo tearing information from the mind of Poe: Beginning of the film
- Kylo Ren nonchalantly deflecting Rey’s blaster bolts and putting her in stasis before incapsitating her with an unknown Force Ability: Middle of the film
- Kylo Ren Killing Han in a vile manner: End of the film
- Kylo Ren Force pushing Rey to a tree and knocking her out, decimating Finn in a lightsaber duel and dominating Rey for most of their duel while suffering from a Bowcaster wound and the guilt of killing Han: End of the film
Not that Kylo Ren didn’t have his fair share of failures but both him and Vader both failed at the end when it counted.
EDIT:
Qui-gon’s first duel against Maul, for example, was a successful way to make his character an actual threat to the viewers, as well as Obi-wan, Luke’s master, being killed by Vader in a one-on-one duel.
Qui-Gon was defeated in a heated duel and that was due to Maul’s skill and youth. Obi-Wan literally let Vader kill him. I mean…