If someone can either choke you out or choke you to death by normal means why can’t The Force do that? And what about the other suggestion I made?
We don’t know how the Force works. Consider chocking needs to be in anger, would it be possible to control oneself so to just choke out instead of killing? Maybe, maybe not, we don’t know, they’ve not told us.
It’s pretty goddamn unreasonable to believe that you can choke someone to death with The Force (even over massive distances) but choke someone to unconsciousness. Also when choking someone they are knocked out and you have to continue the choking before they eventually die.
Is the other suggestion related to that novel and ROTS? I said they can’t be used as examples because they were written way after TESB.
I meant Vader picking him up (or what Vader actually did to make Luke fall into the chamber in ESB), holding him down with The Force and turning on the Carbonite chamber.
For example, lightsabers necessarily had to be handled with two hands, while in the PT only one hand is needed. The Force is also used much more frequently during duels in the PT, while this isn’t the case in the OT.
Vader used one hand early on in his duel against Luke in ESB
He was just playing with Luke, he’s not using all his strength. According to Lucas and Hamill, the only way to fully use a lightsaber back then, was with two hands.
Well you said lightsabers necessarily had to be handled with two hands while that wasn’t the fact in the PT. But in ESB Vader has no problem using Makashi and for all intents and purposes Luke is trying his best. Or at least trying at any rate.
His objective was to bring him to the Emperor, so he decided he would’ve freezed him using the Carbon Freezing. What I’m suggesting is that if Luke could be easily captured with no effort using the Carbon Freezing, he would’ve brought him to the Emperor. If Luke were to overcome this test, he would’ve instead tried to make him join him.
I think Vader would have still offered Luke a place at his side regardless. The only thing what would feasibly change is that if Luke was weak enough to be frozen Vader would train him more before moving against The Emperor.
Tarkin does respect him
Tarkin respects him and thinks of him as a friend but he tells him to stop choking that Imperial Officer and he tells Vader his plan of bugging the Falcon had better work. To which Vader had no response too. Hux would never say something like that in TFA even if he did outrank him.
Leia fears him
“Governor Tarkin, I should have expected to find you holding Vader’s leash” - Leia
Rey on the other hand calls Kylo a creature in a mask and a monster. Quite a difference. No?
Vader does have a master, but in TESB he also shows bravery for his plan to overthrow him, and in ROTJ he’s not the main villain anymore.
I didn’t say anything about Vader in ESB or ROTJ in that segment though. In ESB he is a monumentally better villain and character; this I will not deny and in ROTJ he was still a main villain but was still subservient to Palpatine like Kylo is to Supreme Leader Snoke. I won’t hold that against either of them.
Poe is not “promptly mind raped”, he’s just brought away after an embarassing silence. He’s tortured later in the movie, because that’s Kylo’s mission, not as a rection against his taunt.
I was talking about his interrogation scene. In their first encounter Poe says
Poe: So who talks first? You talk first?
Kylo Ren: The old man gave it to you.
Poe: It’s just very hard to understand you with all the…
Kylo Ren: Search him
after he’s searched
Kylo Ren: Put him on board
and in the actual interrogation scene
Kylo Ren: I had no idea we had the best pilot in the Resistance on board. Comfortable?
Poe: Not really
Kylo Ren: I’m impressed. No one has been able to get out of you what you did with the map.
Poe: Might wanna rethink your technique.
Kylo starts his mind probing
Kylo Ren: Where is it?
Poe: The Resistance will not be intimidated by you.
Kylo Ren: Where is it?
*Poe starts to scream and Kylo tells Hux about the information being in a BB Unit.