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Post #924411

Author
John Doom
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(Spoilers)How could The Force Awakens have been more original?
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Date created
5-Apr-2016, 11:05 AM

Lord Haseo said:

If someone can either choke you out or choke you to death by normal means why can’t The Force do that? And what about the other suggestion I made?

We don’t know how the Force works. Consider chocking needs to be in anger, would it be possible to control oneself so to just choke out instead of killing? Maybe, maybe not, we don’t know, they’ve not told us.
Is the other suggestion related to that novel and ROTS? I said they can’t be used as examples because they were written way after TESB.

For example, lightsabers necessarily had to be handled with two hands, while in the PT only one hand is needed. The Force is also used much more frequently during duels in the PT, while this isn’t the case in the OT.

Vader used one hand early on in his duel against Luke in ESB

He was just playing with Luke, he’s not using all his strength. According to Lucas and Hamill, the only way to fully use a lightsaber back then, was with two hands.

It depends on whether his attempt to push him into the freezer was a first test (so without using all of his abilities, just to test if he was at least able to overcome that one).

I don’t think it was a test. Him freezing Han just to test out whether Carbon Freezing was viable likely indicates that was his primary motive early on.

His objective was to bring him to the Emperor, so he decided he would’ve freezed him using the Carbon Freezing. What I’m suggesting is that if Luke could be easily captured with no effort using the Carbon Freezing, he would’ve brought him to the Emperor. If Luke were to overcome this test, he would’ve instead tried to make him join him.

You mean Tarkin by Leia? Nobody harrass Vader in Star Wars, except for Motti(?) who nearly gets killed because of this. Every character either respect him or fear him.

Yes I mean Tarkin, Leia and Motti. Neither of them show no respect. In TFA Poe cracks a joke to him and tells him the First Order should rethink their technique after his initial interrogation (which was not by Kylo) and is promptly mind raped, Hux warns him not to let his personal reasons interfere with the Supreme Leader’s wishes but is silenced when his life is threatened by Kylo and is scolded by Snoke when he is resisted by Rey. But that’s his Master; I don’t remember Vader every giving Palpatine any crap before he killed him. And just like with the few exceptions of those who don’t respect Vader everyone else either fears or respects Kylo Ren.

Tarkin does respect him, Leia fears him. Vader does have a master, but in TESB he also shows bravery for his plan to overthrow him, and in ROTJ he’s not the main villain anymore.
Poe is not “promptly mind raped”, he’s just brought away after an embarassing silence. He’s tortured later in the movie, because that’s Kylo’s mission, not as a rection against his taunt.