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John Doom
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(Spoilers)How could The Force Awakens have been more original?
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5-Apr-2016, 6:05 AM

Lord Haseo said:

John Doom said:
You already know what I mean, though you disagree with me. No need to bore you repeating myself šŸ˜„

No, I kind of don’t. Kylo’s abilities with exception of being able to successfully pull information from Rey’s mind and his loss in the lightsaber duel were pretty consistent throughout the film. The latter failure being the result of numerous extenuating circumstances and without those in play his victory would have been an absolute certainty.

I’m talking about his ability to overall be seen as an actual threat throughout the movie. Please, I don’t want to repeat myself on this : (

It’s not his fault. His duty was to slow down the emperials to let the other escape, and he did a good job.

I could have sworn his duty was to stop the Walkers from destroying the power generators…which is precisely what they do once the battle turns in the Empire’s favor.

Excuse me, but saying this was Luke’s fault is pretty ridiculous. I’m not even sure we’ve seen the same movie.
Yes, the Walkers have to destroy the power generators, but the Rebels’ objective is not to defend them, but to protect them for as long as possible until the transports are away, because they know there’s nothing that can be done against the AT-AT and an entire Emperial fleet. Here’s from the script:

CONTROLLER: General, there’s a fleet of Star Destroyers coming out of hyperspace in sector four.
RIEEKAN: Reroute all power to the energy shield. We’ve got to hold them till all transports are away. Prepare for ground assault.

And then:

RIEEKAN: (into comlink) Launch patrols.
LEIA: (to an aide) Evacuate remaining ground staff.

They were just buying time to escape, they knew there was no way to win that battle. Luke’s not responsible for any of this, look it up :\

Can Vader actually just choke people out?

Why wouldn’t he be able to when people can do a rear naked choke and knock someone out by more conventional means?

He didn’t want to actually hurt the Emperor’s prey and his potential weapon against him.

Knocking Luke unconscious wouldn’t have done a thing to him that beyond well…unconsciousness.

For all we know, controlling oneself when using the Force to choke someone may not be easy: he might’ve not been able to stop before killing Luke, but that’s just speculation, or it may take time to focus (every time we see the Force being used in TESB, it takes more than a few seconds to take effect).

I meant pushing him into the freezer.

Oh well technically he still fell in but got out before it was too late.

And Vader admired him for his ability to overcome his trap.

EDIT: About Chocking-Vader, it may very well be that he was also testing Luke to see if he was skilled enough to help him against th Emperor (in fact he keeps questioning or admiring his skills), so he didn’t want to end the fight too soon.

That’s fine but at first he tried to freeze him and then after that plan fell apart he continued testing him. If he really wanted to freeze Luke initially he could have still choked him out and thrown him in the chamber.

Exactly, that’s what I mean. He initially thought he was ā€œnot as strong as the Emperor thoughtā€, then, when he exceeded his expectations, maybe started testing him to see if he could be of some use to him.