John Doom said:
We are ReyActually if the audience can relate to anyone moreso it’s Finn but that’s an entirely different conversation.
I don’t remember them actually being threated by him except for Poe in the beginning and Finn in the end.
And let’s not forget Rey in the Forest towards the middle of the film.
and trying to make Kylo a threat in the end was too late by then. It was boring :\
I think him rendering Finn’s spine useless was an effective way to make him a thread but okay.
That’s right: at that point, his role has become less important, so he doesn’t need to be an actual threat. The Emperor, who’s activily tricking them into fighting against each other, is the main villain, and his ways are the major threat to Luke’s life.
His role became slightly less important and none of that excuses him not acting more like a villain. A villain who has had decades of experience being one.
Luke doesn’t fail in ESB like you say, he fights hard to overcome his weakness and obstacles, learning about the Force and facing his evil dark side. He faces Vader and is nearly defeated, but he succeds in not giving up to the dark side to save his “moral integrity”. In the end, he wins his battle, even if it’s a bittersweet ending. So no, I don’t think he doesn’t work as a hero, I think he’s actually the perfect hero, since he’s constantly challanged.
Luke got impatient when Yoda was acting like an idiot which shows a lack of patience, Luke brings his weapons into the Dark Side cave when he was told he wouldn’t need them, he failed to lift the X-Wing out of the water due to his lack of belief, he left to face Vader without completing his training which resulted in the loss of his hand and almost in his capture.
I don’t necessarily think he doesn’t work as a hero either. Reason being is that everyone whether hero, villain or common folk goes through trials and tribulations before they reach their apex. Luke went through his and in ROTJ became a fully fledged Jedi Knight and in TFA Kylo Ren is going through his and as a result he will most likely become a great Dark Side warrior when it’s all said and done.
Vader’s objective wasn’t to defeat Luke, he was only trying to corner him, and Luke only manages to scratch his armor, no even wounding him.
Vader screams in agony or rage when hit. It was a glancing blow but it still effected him. And that doesn’t detract from the point that Luke shouldn’t have hit someone as skilled as Vader due to Vader’s overwhelming skill, him being completely unscathed and Luke’s lack of training in lightsaber dueling.
Kylo, on the other hand, was surely trying to kill Finn (not Rey, I get this), had enough knowledge of the Force to freeze him, push him, disarm him and kill him instantly, but nope. Supposing he was reckless as you suggested, it still makes him kind of a fake threat if he doesn’t fully fight once in the movie.
Well if you want to go there why did Vader not just choke out Luke and place him in the Carbonite chamber? The answer being because both scripts call for that not happening. At least in TFA it is shown that Kylo Ren is pompous so even when presented with a clear kill shot he drags the fight on; Vader doesn’t have such an excuse.
If you say so. He basically was the incarnation of everything a hero is supposed to be.
As Kylo is the incarnation of everything an aspiring villain (who has a bit of his old self in him) is supposed to be. Also I’m quite sure that at least in Episode VIII there will be no conflict in Kylo.
Watching you two go back-and-forth is like watching Warbler and anyone else go back-and-forth in the politics thread. Exhausting (unless we don’t bother to read the walls of text).