John Doom said:
-he can’t take control of the situation;Exactly what situation are you referring to.
Whenever he loses his mind, when can’t stand facing Ray or his father, when he needs to rely on his Master.
The only one of those that reflects on him not being able to control a situation is when he asked for guidance from Snoke.
Sure, but it doesn’t help that, together with everything else I said, makes him less and less of a threat.
To Rey maybe. But to Poe and Finn he’s a legitimate threat.
It’s enough already, but there’s also that (only?) other scene where they meet again before Snork and he looks amused to see him hopeless for his failure.
Yeah, Hux chose a time in which Snoke was present to say that Kylo Ren screwed up by calling off the search for BB-8.
Vader looks conflicted only in ROTJ, when the main villain is now the Emperor. Combined with everything above, this further makes kylo less of a threat.
But Vader is still a main villain. A villain who was the main baddie for 2/3 of the trilogy. That doesn’t diminish the fact that they both have conflict.
Never being able to see him scared was what made him, even if apparently, more menacing.
That’s good and all but he still seemed scared with the mask on when he was defeated by Luke.
I know this, but I think he should’ve been under his authority, which would make him responsible for the way her custody was set and handled. Or maybe not, maybe I’m wrong on that 😄 He did go insane after finding out she escaped.
Whether it was his fault or not he still would have probably flipped out.
Why do you keep saying Kylo has less experience? I know this, but it’s things like this that lessens his role as the main villain.
I keep on saying this is because people are trying to equate him to Vader when the character was literally designed NOT to be a fully realized villain. I’m pretty sure people didn’t say Luke didn’t/would never work as a hero because of his failures in ESB so people chastising Kylo is a bit hypocritical.
Finn was also a janitor on his first battle 😄
In the end, even if Finn was a trained soldier, he still should’ve not been able to even injury the same guy who was able to freeze Poe with a single hand. Call it being reckless, it further lessens his role as the main villian.
Well bringing it back to ESB Luke had absolutely no training in the art of lightsaber combat (which is completely separate from Force training) and was still able to land a strike on one of the best Duelists in Star Wars history. So Finn landing a hit on and injured, pompous and not fully trained Dark Side warrior isn’t a huge stretch.
It doesn’t matter, he just doesn’t work as the main villain. As I said, I’m ok with him the way he is, but somone else should’ve played the role of the main villain, someone who could be seen as an actual threat.
If so Luke didn’t work as a hero in ESB.
I forgot to mention that even Poe doesn’t get him seriously. I know, “Leia and Tarkin” and so on (we already discussed this one in another thread), but add this to everything I said above, and you get the picture.
Well thanks for making my rebuttal for me lol