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Ah, well, I’ve downed an entire (small) bottle of booze, so now I’m in the forgiving mood.
Let’s all live and let live, okay?
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Ranking the Superman films — Page 6
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I’ve been a Superman fan since 1994 at the latest. I’m familiar with most major iterations of the character, inside the comics and outside, Golden Age, Silver Age, Bronze Age, and Modern Age, in-continuity and outside-of-continuity. I’m familiar with the Superman who pines for Krypton and would toss his glasses in the nearest garbage bin at the first opportunity and the Superman who sees Earth as his one true home and considers himself a Kansas farmboy at heart; I know which of those two Supermen resonates the most for me.
So yeah, I certainly do know a quite bit more about the goddamn character than Frink does, so I don’t appreciate having my opinion cavalierly stated as wrong by him, especially since it’s not a new concept I just pulled out of my ass but one professional writers have been all quite eagrely working with for some 29-odd years.
Did that sound a lot more bad ass in your head?
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It was either the “goddamn” or the “eagrely” that probably did it for him.
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Ah, well, I’ve downed an entire (small) bottle of booze, so now I’m in the forgiving mood.
Let’s all live and let live, okay?
You should have said you downed the bottle before posting. :p
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Nah, I got drunk after I posted that post.
Dammit, Frink, I can’t stay mad at you. I like you too much.
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- Superman 2: Richard Donner Cut (2006)
- Superman (1979)
- Superman 2 (1980)
- Superman 3 (1983)
- Man of Steel (2013)
- Superman 4 (1987)
- Superman Returns (2006)
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When BvS comes out, should it be included in these rankings?
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When BvS comes out, should it be included in these rankings?
Uh yeah, it’s a Superman film. It should also be included in Batman rankings. And the Bullshit Ranking thread.
Don’t do drugs, unless you’re with me.
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It’s neither Batman film nor Superman film. It’s a fan film. Why? How do I know without seeing it? Because BATMAN AND SUPERMAN ARE IN THE SAME MOVIE.
Ridiculous.
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I wouldn’t go so far as to call Zack Snyder a fan of Superman
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I wouldn’t even go as far as to call him Zack Snyder. I’d probably just be like, “Hey Zack.”
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I wouldn’t even go as far as to call him Zack Snyder. I’d probably just be like, “Hey Crapbag.”
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I wouldn’t even go as far as to call him Zack Snyder. I’d probably just be like, “Hey Crapbag.”
He’d totally turn and respond to that moniker.
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I’d call him Frank Miller’s little catamite.
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BATMAN v SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE is pretty good… until the end. Snyder has actually almost fixed his characterization mistakes with Superman, and this version seems to have grown into the role pretty well. This is perhaps the best Batman to ever appear on screen; very true to the comics. Wonder Woman is great, but underused.
Jesse Eisenberg plays a weird Joker/Riddler type character that is called Lex Luthor. This is a horrible mistake, the character is nothing like in the comics. He’s twitchy and psychotic, rather than cold and sociopathic. It’s a good character, but it’s the wrong character.
The ending just about ruins it all. It’s dramatic, and it’s emotional, but it doesn’t feel earned. The fact that Doomsday looks as fake as he did in that one trailer doesn’t help. The ending seems to try to adapt (or cram) a certain comic story arc (that I won’t spoil here) into just a few minutes, and it doesn’t feel earned. I wish that story was left for later in this movieverse; especially since the next film will likely undo it immediately.
Weird choices were made that hurt the movie, but I don’t hate it like many of the critics seem to.
C+
EDIT: Been thinking about this movie a lot, and the more I think, the more some things irk me. Grade may fall.
Still better than MoS by far.
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BATMAN v SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE is pretty good… until the end. Snyder has actually just about redeemed himself IMO from characterization mistakes with Superman, and this new version seems to have grown into the role pretty well. This is perhaps the best Batman to ever appear on screen; very true to the comics. Wonder Woman is great, but underused.
Jesse Eisenberg plays a weird Joker/Riddler type character that is called Lex Luthor. This is a horrible mistake, the character is nothing like in the comics. He’s twitchy and psychotic, rather than cold and sociopathic. It’s a good character, but it’s the wrong character.
The ending just about ruins it all. It’s dramatic, and it’s emotional, but it doesn’t feel earned. The fact that Doomsday looks as fake as he did in that one trailer doesn’t help. The ending seems to try to adapt (or cram) a certain comic story arc (that I won’t spoil here) into just a few minutes, and it doesn’t feel earned. I wish that story was left for later in this movieverse; especially since the next film will likely undo it immediately.
Weird choices were made that hurt the movie, but I don’t hate it like many of the critics seem to.
C+
Thanks for the write up. On the basis of your feedback, I’m going to watch it in a few hours at my local cheapo cinema. It’s worth remembering that the first Star Wars film received a number of bad reviews back in 1977 and that apparently, Pauline Kael hated TESB. Citizen Kane was effectively dismissed by the Academy…
You might be interested in this:
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/02/23/batman-v-superman-r-rated-home-video
http://filmratings.com/search.html?filmTitle=batman+v+superman&x=0&y=0
Perhaps the extended, R-rated home version will address some areas that left you dissatisfied.
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Ok… Just come home from the cinema and I’m glad I that caught the early morning screening: when I was leaving, I saw the crowds waiting for afternoon showing and they were huge.
Totally agree with you about the ending and thank you for not spoiling it for those who haven’t seen DOJ yet. I’ll do the same. Definitely enjoyable but disappointingly doesn’t quite reach its potential - some of the writing is messy, particularly regarding Luthor’s motives and there’s several elements that really deserved to be fleshed out more. The rivalry and battle between Superman and Batman isn’t the epic contest that the trailers lead you to expect and the trailer also misleads you about a few other things that leave you feeling cheated.
Nonetheless, on the whole, I did enjoy it, despite the reservations. I’m going to wait for the R-rated version to arrive in a few months. I’d like to see what Snyder excised for the PG-13 release and to see how much of a difference they make. Also, how many more Batman related films is Senator Pat Leahy going to receive cameos in? 😃
“Logic is the battlefield of adulthood.”
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I didn’t care much for the cameos of real people. They took me right out of the movie. I mean, Nancy Grace in a comic book movie?! Ugh.
Im skeptical of anything R rated with Superman in it, it just feels wrong. And I don’t think the extended cut would fix the ending, which is my biggest complaint. Maybe it’ll have some good material that someone could use in a fan edit.
Also, apparently Snyder wanted Joker and/or Riddler in the movie and couldn’t have them. So he spliced those two together and called him Lex Luthor. 😒
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Worst to Best:
Batman V Superman
Man of Steel
Superman IV
Superman III
Superman Returns
Superman II
Superman: The Movie