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Harmy's Despecialized Star Wars 1977 - Color Adjustment Project for v2.7 (released) — Page 13

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Looks good to me as-is, so if the grain/weave options don’t pan out, I still think it’s a net improvement. And… woo-hoo! The “u” is damaged in “He may only take your ship” – just the way it ought to be. Typography nitpickers rejoice! Still think Harmy would have gotten it a little smoother looking than me (and he probably will), but it works as far as I’m concerned.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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Yeah, the weave isn’t something I really care about (they could all have none as far as I’m concerned). But if possible I’d like it to be consistent with Jedi 2.5.

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Makes sense. BTW I threw out my 35mm screencap in my first post gallery already, in favor of yours.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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CatBus said:

Makes sense. BTW I threw out my 35mm screencap in my first post gallery already, in favor of yours.

Cool! What version of the Han shot is that?

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All the Star Wars shots have been updated to be from your previous 2.6 release, even the opening crawl shot.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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Oh, and I may as well post this here since I did it for Harmy earlier. Let me know when you’re a few days from needing subtitles, and I’ll release a new version of Project Threepio with some fixes your project will benefit from.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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towne32 said:

Alternatively, if no one wants the 97+ crawl/flyover, and I can’t get the 1981, I can of course only release the 1977 version. I thought people might want the ANH crawl, even if it’s from SE era, but if that isn’t the case then it’s no problem!

For what it is worth, I don’t think the ANH crawl has ANY place in a Theatrical Reconstruction of Star Wars.
I saw the film opening week in 77’ and it was called “Star Wars” LOL!!! If I want to see ANY of Georges evil changes I would watch my S.E. copy (cursed that it is). There… I said my piece.

I thought I recognized your foul stench when I entered this forum!

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I want the '81 crawl and flyover because I think it needs to be preserved, as it has a different starfield and different timing from the '97,'04,'11 versions. I would watch the '81 crawl if i were to watch the original trilogy all in a row. Now, if i were to just watch Star Wars, it would definitely just be the 1977 version! But that’s just me.

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I concur with sergejames. I feel the need include all possible permutations and iterations of the film’s.

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Well maybe we can work together with the elements Darth Lucas made to get it a little more polished.

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If there’s enough demand, I would not be opposed to starting work early on the updated “from scratch” 81 crawl that I was planning for v2 of my project.

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As many of you know, I, like Faithwyn, am all for preserving the '77 opening crawl, big surprise there, eh?

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towne32 said:

Alternatively, if no one wants the 97+ crawl/flyover, and I can’t get the 1981, I can of course only release the 1977 version. I thought people might want the ANH crawl, even if it’s from SE era, but if that isn’t the case then it’s no problem!

Oh I would prefer it to stay as well!! It’s great to have for marathons and for a closest to 1981 theatrical that we can get.

I see absolutely no reason to only preserve the 1977 one over 1981. Both are equal in importance and worth of preservation. There isn’t a correct answer to which “deserves” to be preserved. Because they both do. I was extremely glad you took the initiative to keep the crawl. 😃

Oh and, when you say it is regraded for the next update does that mean the crawl is going to be a closer match the colors of the theatrical crawls? As those seem to be paler in comparison to the SE and onwards era crawls that have a richer/darker crawl coloring.

Edit: Oh! You might actual go with the 1981 it sounds like.

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Still undecided. Depends on what we can come up with.

The color matching i discussed is just to get the crawl color looking like DeEd 2.5.

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Faithwyn said:

For what it is worth, I don’t think the ANH crawl has ANY place in a Theatrical Reconstruction of Star Wars.
I saw the film opening week in 77’ and it was called “Star Wars” LOL!!! If I want to see ANY of Georges evil changes I would watch my S.E. copy (cursed that it is). There… I said my piece.

You do you, but I’m sure at least some of the VHS children like myself feel differently. After all, I don’t think the 77 crawl ever made it to home video before the GOUT in 2006. Us folks who weren’t around for the four years before the crawl was changed ought to have our Star Wars too.

Anyway, if someone can get the 81 working properly, that definitely gets my vote over the 97 or 04/11, but it’s not desperately important.

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joefavs said:

Faithwyn said:

For what it is worth, I don’t think the ANH crawl has ANY place in a Theatrical Reconstruction of Star Wars.
I saw the film opening week in 77’ and it was called “Star Wars” LOL!!! If I want to see ANY of Georges evil changes I would watch my S.E. copy (cursed that it is). There… I said my piece.

You do you, but I’m sure at least some of the VHS children like myself feel differently. After all, I don’t think the 77 crawl ever made it to home video before the GOUT in 2006. Us folks who weren’t around for the four years before the crawl was changed ought to have our Star Wars too.

Right.

My post could’ve probably been clearer. But I didn’t intend it to mean “please chime in if you support suppressing the release of an Episode IV crawl on princple”. It just meant that if there is no interest, or no interest beyond a perfect 1981 starfield, I can always not bother doing it. The ANH MKV was much less popular last time, as can probably be expected. But it seems there is some interest, even if it’s minimal.

DL: What did you have in mind for your V2 crawl? We’ve discussed the 1981 crawl before, but for the benefit of everyone else: I like what Darth Lucas has done in general. He got a cleaned up 1981 crawl from Harmy (I think originally from TN1?) and then used the ESB starfield and redid the pan and rotoscoped the flyover elements in.

I’d like to use it. But I considered the crawl just to be way too shaky. Not just a little bit of gateweave, but when you see the text in the far distance (just before fading out), it really bounces about a lot. But the starfield stays relatively still. So if it’s stabilized, it will need to be done with the separate elements. I am not actually sure how to do that stabilization, since normally you want a stationary element to focus on, like the stars. But we could make some guide lines based on the path of the text and manually do it I guess.

Secondly, the crawl is mostly cleaned up, but there is still a bit of noise and damage that pops up throughout. If needed, I can try to have a pass at this myself. But it would be better to do on the stabilized material and at as high of resolution as we can.

There also might have been an issue of the Tantive overlapping the Star Destroyer for a frame or two as they cross paths. But I might be mis-remembering, or it might look how it’s supposed to.

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towne32 said:

DL: What did you have in mind for your V2 crawl? We’ve discussed the 1981 crawl before, but for the benefit of everyone else: I like what Darth Lucas has done in general. He got a cleaned up 1981 crawl from Harmy (I think originally from TN1?) and then used the ESB starfield and redid the pan and rotoscoped the flyover elements in.

V2 is going to be starting completely from scratch, instead of building off of Harmy’s crawl. Also 1080p since its as of now planned to accompany despecialized v3.0.

Working from the bluray, I’ll use the same technique as MikeVerta used for recreating his 77 crawl: taking screen grabs of each line of the crawl and then reconstructing the entirety of it in Photoshop. I will then place The 2D crawl in after effects over the 81 starfield and key frame it to follow the path and timing of the 81 crawl.

For the pandown and flyover I’ll utilize the same techniques as before, but working from a color corrected bluray in 1080p instead of from DeEd2.5 as before.

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What do you fellows believe the exact colors should be, of both the '77 and '81 crawls?

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Well I can’t really speak for 77, but the '81 crawl should probably resemble empire in terms of color.

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Agreed with matching ESB/ROTJ in crawl color. Makes the most sense. Honestly either is better than the '97 and on colors as that doesnt match ESB and ROTJ at all and is the coloring used in the prequels and TFA.

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I was only saying match ESB for the 81 crawl because it was filmed around the same time.

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DarthLucas, this sounds great! Can’t wait for it to all come together. I’ve been wanting a high quality '81 crawl and flyover for a few years now!

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Cheebo said:

Agreed with matching ESB/ROTJ in crawl color. Makes the most sense. Honestly either is better than the '97 and on colors as that doesnt match ESB and ROTJ at all and is the coloring used in the prequels and TFA.

My last release didn’t use 97 colors. It was quite changed from Harmy’s, but I’m not sure that his was trying to replicate any specific 1997 source, either.

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If someone would be so kind and upload the MKV to “teh place” / uloz so I could also have a look. Reading this thread and seeing the comparisons make my stomach purr (in a good way).

EDIT: “I see a few followup comments in that thread about some glitches in the initial 2.6 release. Latest news in that thread says 2.7 is under review and going to be released soon, so I suggest you wait for that.”

So… never mind. 😄