That skit is canon for me.
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But Anakin has never killed a family member. He never killed Padme (well directly) and he wasn’t able to kill Luke. Kylo through great strife was still able to kill Han.
Also a big difference between the two is that Kylo Ren is sick in the head whereas Anakin was a pompous ass with anger issues. Kylo Ren talks to the brunt helmet of his long dead grandfather and he speaks about himself in 3rd person. And do we even have to go into his violent outbursts? This man needs help and that can be a deciding factor as to whether he stays in the darkness or not.
He believed he killed Padme, though. And we don’t yet know if he ever found out that the Emperor lied to him.
I’m still counting on Kylo being turned. He’s definitely still going to feel the lure of the light side.
Keep Circulating the Tapes.
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I loved TFA, but something about the “rebellion” or “resistance” or whatever it is just feels “small.” I don’t really know why. It seems like they’re even more ill-equipped and scaled-down than they were in Empire, and this is odd. It bothers me somehow.
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He believed he killed Padme, though. And we don’t yet know if he ever found out that the Emperor lied to him.
He found out in one of the Vader comics. Well he found out he had a son; I don’t think it would be too much of a leap to assume Palpatine lied to him about that too. Also Vader was tricked into being a Sith whereas (at this point) Kylo was actually seduced. Darth Vader knowing he had been had by The Emperor was surely instrumental in him rebelling against him.
He’s definitely still going to feel the lure of the light side.
It’s possible but there is this line that leads me to believe he won’t. All of these lines in some form or another is in TFA though some of them obviously were spoken without his mask. All them except “I’m immune to the light”. It’s possible he will still feel a pull but if he does it will be relatively weak. Maybe he’ll feel it when he defeats Rey and in turn gives her a chance to escape.
Another thing that bothers me. The whole “map to Luke” thing.
It’s amazing how certain films can “get away” with stuff if the overall experience is viewed as a positive.
Independence Day is a perfect example. You can pick at the flaws all day long, and the flaws are most certainly there—but in the end, it’s almost as if none of the flaws really matter. The set-ups, the payoffs, the editing, the action, the pacing, the rhythm of the story—these things work in spite of other things that don’t. Things that would take one out of the story if the overall experience were weaker. We all know Independence Day sucked on some level—it’s kind of like a report card with a “C-“ in spelling while all the other grades are “A’s.”
As much as I love TFA, the “map to Luke” thing drives me insane.
So there’s a missing piece to a map to Luke that the “resistance” is trying to piece together. So let’s say they get it pieced together. Great. Now they have a map that may or may not lead them to Luke, who is undoubtedly a powerful Jedi. But Luke hasn’t been seen in years, and given the circumstances of his “walking away,” his motivations, state of mind, and attitudes toward the “resistance” are far from a sure thing.
Besides that, Luke’s only human. He’s not Superman. Let’s go find Luke! And then do…what, exactly?
Let’s waste valuable resources on finding one man when we have a solar-system destroying behemoth breathing down our necks.
The “map to Luke” thing is just as stupid as anything in the prequels, but it doesn’t matter because TFA is great in spite of it.
Well if he knows Battle Meditation that can turn the tides of things. Also we don’t know how powerful Luke has become so for all intents and purposes he could be just as strong as he was in the EU. I mean, he’s strong enough to put a scare into Supreme Leader Snoke.
Another thing that bothers me. The whole “map to Luke” thing.
It’s amazing how certain films can “get away” with stuff if the overall experience is viewed as a positive.
Independence Day is a perfect example. You can pick at the flaws all day long, and the flaws are most certainly there—but in the end, it’s almost as if none of the flaws really matter. The set-ups, the payoffs, the editing, the action, the pacing, the rhythm of the story—these things work in spite of other things that don’t. Things that would take one out of the story if the overall experience were weaker. We all know Independence Day sucked on some level—it’s kind of like a report card with a “C-“ in spelling while all the other grades are “A’s.”
As much as I love TFA, the “map to Luke” thing drives me insane.
So there’s a missing piece to a map to Luke that the “resistance” is trying to piece together. So let’s say they get it pieced together. Great. Now they have a map that may or may not lead them to Luke, who is undoubtedly a powerful Jedi. But Luke hasn’t been seen in years, and given the circumstances of his “walking away,” his motivations, state of mind, and attitudes toward the “resistance” are far from a sure thing.
Besides that, Luke’s only human. He’s not Superman. Let’s go find Luke! And then do…what, exactly?
Let’s waste valuable resources on finding one man when we have a solar-system destroying behemoth breathing down our necks.
The “map to Luke” thing is just as stupid as anything in the prequels, but it doesn’t matter because TFA is great in spite of it.
I’m betting the whole map thing was an elaborate and intentional design to locate Rey and bring her to Luke at the right time. We’ll see if they answer these questions in VIII.
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I loved TFA, but something about the “rebellion” or “resistance” or whatever it is just feels “small.” I don’t really know why. It seems like they’re even more ill-equipped and scaled-down than they were in Empire, and this is odd. It bothers me somehow.
There may have been a movement by the New Republic to completely dismantle the Rebellion in the years after ROTJ. They may have only been building a new covert force in the past few years in response to the growing threat of the New Order. Leia and Ackbar are the only members of the “old guard” that seem to be present.
I don’t think we saw too many older pilots like we did in the OT? Of course, with some aliens it’s not easy to tell.
It will be interesting to see if any Republic ships survived and join up.
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There may have been a movement by the New Republic to completely dismantle the Rebellion in the years after ROTJ.
I’m still doing a decent job keeping up with the new EU, so I’ve actually got a decent idea of this situation. Aftermath has Mon Mothma talking pretty seriously about demilitarizing. Lost Stars has the Battle of Jakku a couple years after that, so we know it doesn’t take right away, but I’m pretty certain that ends up being the case. I think we’re going to learn a whole lot more about the political landscape in May when we get Bloodline, which is a Leia-centric novel set six years or so before TFA.
Well that’s great and all, but I don’t want to have to read an EU book to understand a movie. Books are great to add to movies, but not to do part of the movie’s job in explaining what’s going on.
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Do you really need any of that to enjoy TFA though? I agree that the way they handled that exposition could have been done more clearly, but I don’t think they left out anything necessary for understanding that movie. You get that the Resistance is a sort of proxy for the Republic from the crawl and a few lines of dialog. If you want a history lesson about the state of the Republic over the past 25 years, I’d say that’s exactly the sort of thing that does belong in a book.
Other than the treaty there is no need to delve into the nuEU.
I enjoyed TFA, don’t get me wrong. I rate it as the 3rd best in the saga (just barely over ROTJ, which may change in the future). I just didn’t really grasp the relationship between the Republic and the Resistance. Now that I have EU (nuEU) explanation, I do understand it, but upon first viewing of the film, not knowing anything, I didn’t know how the Resistance existed. “Is it the Republic fleet under a different name? Is it funded from someone embezzling from the Republic?” and other ideas crossed my mind.
TFA left me grasping at straws as to how the Resistance existed and it could have easily been cleared up with just one scene (that is rumored to exist and was left on the cutting room floor). I don’t see why it couldn’t have just been the Republic Army that would become a Resistance after the Republic’s destruction.
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How much did we know about The Rebellion going into the original film?
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In all honesty how much did we have to know about them though?
The Rebellion was just a rebellion, not even remotely affiliated with any government, which was clearly established. In TFA, they mention that there is a relationship between the Republic and the Resistance, but don’t establish what that relationship is.
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The Rebellion was just a rebellion, not even remotely affiliated with any government, which was clearly established. In TFA, they mention that there is a relationship between the Republic and the Resistance, but don’t establish what that relationship is.
So what you’re saying is that TFA actually provides more information than the OT concerning it’s respective military unit?
I mean, how clearly established was it that the rebellion wasn’t a spawn of the old republic for example?
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Yes, there is more information provided, but it is provided in a way that doesn’t make sense.
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She does have thrusters on her belly and could be venting all sorts of things we can’t see on her final approach. That looks more like a pressure wave anyway.
using ventral thrusters to reduce speed during landing does have precedent in SW – look at the Raven’s Claw in Jedi Outcast.
“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”
The Rebellion was just a rebellion, not even remotely affiliated with any government, which was clearly established. In TFA, they mention that there is a relationship between the Republic and the Resistance, but don’t establish what that relationship is.
As far as I can tell, the Republic and the First Order are two separate states which co-exist uneasily in a sort of Galactic Cold War (at least up until General Hux presumably starts a war with a Pearl Harbor-style surprise attack). The Resistance is the Republic’s covert ops arm inside the First Order’s territory. Kind of like the French Maquis during WWII.
“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”
Well that’s great and all, but I don’t want to have to read an EU book to understand a movie. Books are great to add to movies, but not to do part of the movie’s job in explaining what’s going on.
After all, Plinkett can’t read.
The Rebellion was just a rebellion, not even remotely affiliated with any government, which was clearly established. In TFA, they mention that there is a relationship between the Republic and the Resistance, but don’t establish what that relationship is.
Was it really though? It appeared to be a confederation of planets at least, especially since Alderaan’s senators (and royalty) were involved in the leadership.
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sunglassesatnite said:
Let’s waste valuable resources on finding one man when we have a solar-system destroying behemoth breathing down our necks.
My one big gripe with TFA is that it couldn’t make up its mind on what the mcguffin is. It kept abrubtly switching between the map to Luke and Starkiller Base. In contrast, the Death Star is consistently the mcguffin in Star Wars (1977).
sunglassesatnite said:
Let’s waste valuable resources on finding one man when we have a solar-system destroying behemoth breathing down our necks.My one big gripe with TFA is that it couldn’t make up its mind on what the mcguffin is. It kept abrubtly switching between the map to Luke and Starkiller Base. In contrast, the Death Star is consistently the mcguffin in Star Wars (1977).
No, the mcguffin was the map to Skywalker. The only time anything switched is when Kylo Ren said to forget BB-8 in favor of Rey.
Now there are two of them!
What were the McGuffin’s in ESB and ROTJ?
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