This is more of a discussion hinting towards mythology of Star Wars and what impact the sequel trilogy will have on the sagas story as a whole. Overall in perceptive of the story of the six episodes so far were given two very different trilogies in ideas and execution. The prequels have better ideas/overall plot than the originals. Yes I said it! And I shall defend it while also acknowledging the immense problems with the prequels when it comes to the execution of these ideas. The original trilogy was a black and white story of light vs dark. No problem with that because it obviously still allowed for a fantastic movie trilogy. But it can’t reach the philosophical heights the prequels do (with fan edits; Hal9000s, L8wtrs, Q2’s).
The prequels establish the environment of indoctrination and arrogance of a organization blinded to the changing world. The prequels illustrate how the Sith were playing smarter and more adaptive than the Jedi. Things start to heat up philosophically when Anakins mother dies along with the introduction of a great plot device… The Jedi code and its strict, emotionally limiting principles of detachment and discipline. Anakin obviously feels frustrated with the Jedi starting in episode 2 when he starts having feelings for padme. You will see he comes to temporary peace with this by saying the Jedi are encouraged to love while in transit to Naboo in a conservation with padme. Only later does Anakin realize that even Yoda practically welcomes the death of close ones. Palpatines plants the idea that the Sith are merely an embrace of a full spectrum of life where love and passion are the center of a siths life. Obviously, this was pure seduction but with some truth which was that the Jedi are wrong and the code had its faults. So who’s right then? No one. Not until Luke Skywalker comes along. This is the bridge between the trilogies and how the prequels let you see the OT in new light. Episode 4 mythologically doesn’t do nearly as much as empire and Jedi but does the job of introducing a whole new step in the saga. Empire has Yoda train luke which is great because you have the cave scene and some good truth from Yoda to Luke. But where empire hits home is reinserting the Jedi code of detachment into the OT coming from the mouths of directly obi wan and Yoda. Luke refuses to accept this and leaves to bespin. With Anakin he was seduced by sidious along side that. so that and just Luke’s character as a whole is why he doesn’t turn to the dark side in empire. That’s the great thing about the PT and OT compared. Anakin and Luke face the same problems with attachment but in the prequels we give Anakin more pressure, a secret wife, a council of masters lurking at his every move etc. in the OT Luke is given a innocent upbringing with honest and fresh eyes to the whole Jedi Code. Luke is able to make his own decisions without believing he must be a sith since they love and Jedi do Not. Anakin was tricked into this dark power by sidious and his problem with the Jedi code did not ultimately make him evil but it was eventually his crazed dreams of grandeur that formed and selfishness. By the end of episode 3 Anakin doesn’t give a crap about Padme and is so lost in his rage and power that he ultimately turns evil. Luke in Jedi chose love over detachment while acknowledging that it wasn’t Jedi or sith but it what was RIGHT. Only when Anakin finally realized this at the end of Jedi did he choose to definetly make things right by killing the emperor and letting his son know that he was right about their still being good in him. This six episode spanning saga of STORY is perhaps the grandest and greatest I have ever experienced. Now I also must say this before I bridge this to the sequel trilogy. There is a big difference between Ideas/Story/mythology and Execution of those ideas. The OT executed brilliantly while the prequel trilogy not so much. But with added deleted scenes, trimmed up distractions (fart jokes and sand alike), and reordering of scenes with high quality fan edits the prequels are shown in all their glory. Same goes for the original trilogy when using theatrical editions. OT had great execution, but not amazing mythology when it comes to morals and light and dark side. This is solved by the complementing story of the prequels. The prequels had fantastic ideas/story with poor execution. This is remedied by Fan-edits. Say what you will about TFA but I find its execution theatrically was up to par and better than the prequels execution. I find it though as a single movie to be lacking ideas wise. But here’s my theory. Episode 4 is what it’s mirroring all movie so let’s take a step back to ANH. Great Movie with nearly perfect execution but now that I think about it, it wasn’t that emotionally deep with any inspiring ideas until it is accompanied by Empire and Jedi and the prequels to a certain extent. I feel that since Force Awakens was the first of a trilogy and had to bring in the old AND the new characters it did fine for that job. Now the greatness of the ideas lies in the hands of episodes 8 and 9. I think what would be so great is if Snoke is revealed to have seen the mistakes of leaders, Jedi and Sith through the PT/OT events and swares to not repeat them. The politics is pretty much that the new republic is again blind to the real threat and doesn’t consider the first order a large enough of a threat. I’m reaching now for anything but I wanted to now propose what ideas relating to the prophecy and mythology of the saga will be presented in the FINAL trilogy of trilogies. May the force be with you all.
Mod Edit: the above was an intriguing post, yet somewhat difficult to break down without losing focus, so below is my attempt at breaking the above down into more digestible paragraphs… (I hope you don’t mind, darthrush?)
This is more of a discussion hinting towards mythology of Star Wars and what impact the sequel trilogy will have on the sagas story as a whole. Overall in perceptive of the story of the six episodes so far were given two very different trilogies in ideas and execution. The prequels have better ideas/overall plot than the originals. Yes I said it! And I shall defend it while also acknowledging the immense problems with the prequels when it comes to the execution of these ideas. The original trilogy was a black and white story of light vs dark. No problem with that because it obviously still allowed for a fantastic movie trilogy. But it can’t reach the philosophical heights the prequels do (with fan edits; Hal9000s, L8wtrs, Q2’s).
The prequels establish the environment of indoctrination and arrogance of a organization blinded to the changing world. The prequels illustrate how the Sith were playing smarter and more adaptive than the Jedi. Things start to heat up philosophically when Anakins mother dies along with the introduction of a great plot device… The Jedi code and its strict, emotionally limiting principles of detachment and discipline. Anakin obviously feels frustrated with the Jedi starting in episode 2 when he starts having feelings for padme. You will see he comes to temporary peace with this by saying the Jedi are encouraged to love while in transit to Naboo in a conservation with padme. Only later does Anakin realize that even Yoda practically welcomes the death of close ones. Palpatines plants the idea that the Sith are merely an embrace of a full spectrum of life where love and passion are the center of a siths life. Obviously, this was pure seduction but with some truth which was that the Jedi are wrong and the code had its faults.
So who’s right then? No one. Not until Luke Skywalker comes along. This is the bridge between the trilogies and how the prequels let you see the OT in new light. Episode 4 mythologically doesn’t do nearly as much as empire and Jedi but does the job of introducing a whole new step in the saga. Empire has Yoda train luke which is great because you have the cave scene and some good truth from Yoda to Luke. But where empire hits home is reinserting the Jedi code of detachment into the OT coming from the mouths of directly obi wan and Yoda. Luke refuses to accept this and leaves to bespin. With Anakin he was seduced by sidious along side that. so that and just Luke’s character as a whole is why he doesn’t turn to the dark side in empire.
That’s the great thing about the PT and OT compared. Anakin and Luke face the same problems with attachment but in the prequels we give Anakin more pressure, a secret wife, a council of masters lurking at his every move etc. in the OT Luke is given a innocent upbringing with honest and fresh eyes to the whole Jedi Code. Luke is able to make his own decisions without believing he must be a sith since they love and Jedi do Not. Anakin was tricked into this dark power by sidious and his problem with the Jedi code did not ultimately make him evil but it was eventually his crazed dreams of grandeur that formed and selfishness. By the end of episode 3 Anakin doesn’t give a crap about Padme and is so lost in his rage and power that he ultimately turns evil. Luke in Jedi chose love over detachment while acknowledging that it wasn’t Jedi or sith but it what was RIGHT. Only when Anakin finally realized this at the end of Jedi did he choose to definetly make things right by killing the emperor and letting his son know that he was right about their still being good in him.
This six episode spanning saga of STORY is perhaps the grandest and greatest I have ever experienced. Now I also must say this before I bridge this to the sequel trilogy. There is a big difference between Ideas/Story/mythology and Execution of those ideas. The OT executed brilliantly while the prequel trilogy not so much. But with added deleted scenes, trimmed up distractions (fart jokes and sand alike), and reordering of scenes with high quality fan edits the prequels are shown in all their glory. Same goes for the original trilogy when using theatrical editions. OT had great execution, but not amazing mythology when it comes to morals and light and dark side. This is solved by the complementing story of the prequels.
The prequels had fantastic ideas/story with poor execution. This is remedied by Fan-edits. Say what you will about TFA but I find its execution theatrically was up to par and better than the prequels execution. I find it though as a single movie to be lacking ideas wise. But here’s my theory. Episode 4 is what it’s mirroring all movie so let’s take a step back to ANH. Great Movie with nearly perfect execution but now that I think about it, it wasn’t that emotionally deep with any inspiring ideas until it is accompanied by Empire and Jedi and the prequels to a certain extent.
I feel that since Force Awakens was the first of a trilogy and had to bring in the old AND the new characters it did fine for that job. Now the greatness of the ideas lies in the hands of episodes 8 and 9. I think what would be so great is if Snoke is revealed to have seen the mistakes of leaders, Jedi and Sith through the PT/OT events and swares to not repeat them. The politics is pretty much that the new republic is again blind to the real threat and doesn’t consider the first order a large enough of a threat. I’m reaching now for anything but I wanted to now propose what ideas relating to the prophecy and mythology of the saga will be presented in the FINAL trilogy of trilogies.
May the force be with you all.