Harmy's Despecialized Star Wars 1977 - Color Adjustment Project for v2.7 (released) — Page 6

towne32 said:

Memorex said:
Btw, did you manage to keep all the english audio mixes for the final encode?

Nearly. I could do 8, so I’ve left out the LD commentary (since it’s almost entirely nothing anyway), the non-English tracks, the visually impaired track, and the isolated score. For anyone who wants that, they’ll want an MKV release of some sort or other.

One thing I haven’t brought up until now is that the first 3 tracks, that were DTS-HD, are going to be the Dolby Digital versions from Harmy’s AVCHD release. For the seamless branching to work, the BD muxing software needs to mux part of the tracks into one m2ts and part into another, and the software doesn’t play nicely at all with these particular tracks. In fact, only tsmuxergui and multiavchd work well with those tracks in my hands. The extra disc space went into extra video bitrate. Again, an MKV version for anyone who finds this to be a dealbreaker.

Sounds good! Looking forward to your '81 MKV on the spleen. 😃

Alright, feedback time. Here’s the best I can do with the sequence Harmy requested.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3u3td3 password OT

First pass = the V1 based on Harmy’s 2.5

Second inserts the raw SSE shot.

Third is my cleanup.

Watching it all in an extended sequence reminds me of this for some reason: https://youtu.be/9ryPUJyQf6g?t=20s

Does anyone (mainly Harmy) have any opinion on the Dewback at the Cantina static shot? I have ruled out being at all able to use SSE for that. I know there are some critics of the hand animated version. Is the Harmy 2.0 version, which I think is the same without the animation, preferred by anyone? It looks like I accidentally included that one last time. So I can either swap in 2.5 there or leave it. Harmy, do you stick by 2.5?

Harmy said:

And that shot of the figthers pulling out looks good, but I’d make its color-timing a bit closer to v2.5, so that it doesn’t clash with the surrounding shots.

Should be able to work with that. As long as the stars aren’t unacceptably dim. I can’t seem to get them any brighter without revealing light leak everywhere.

I’d vote 2.5. My problem with the animation isn’t that I think it looks bad, but that it’s not authentic; a still version would be just as wrong. The animated one’s a closer approximation of what it’s supposed to be.

Sounds good to me.

On the color of that shot, I’ve made it a little cooler. Not too much, since I had already very slightly reduced the blue in the final shot of the Death Star. The shadows don’t really get as blue as 2.5, but it’s a bit hard to adjust as there’s more variation between the falcon vs. other ships in this scan than 2.5.

chyron8472 said:

Towne, if you’re making BD menus, would it be possible for you to upload your BD menu project separately so that it can later be muxed with an MKV?

Can you rephrase that perhaps?

I can’t tell if you mean to just make sure the BD upload is its own thing and MKV is its own thing, or if you want me to actually upload all the project files for the BD.

The latter is really not worth the trouble. I’m happy enough with how it looks ( http://imgur.com/JFYYb8h ), but it’s absolutely nothing fancy. The only reason it exists is to work the gimmick of the seamless branching. And it’s not using some simple GUI type of BD app like Encore, so it probably wouldn’t be worth your trouble.

The MKV with crawl and mux of preference might be the way to go for you.

dkeighobadi said:

dlvh said:

I’m glad you’re maintaining the Technicolor look though, even though it might not have been exactly like we may have seen in the theaters in '77, according to the links you’ve provided, your on the right path to a more consistent result throughout the whole film.

Keep up the good work…I’m excited to see what develops of this.

Just to clarify, Harmy’s DE, even with the green tint, is what what was in theatres in '77 right?

Maybe if you saw a Technicolor print in the UK you saw some green. But even then, probably not quite as much.

dkeighobadi said:

Oh right, I didn’t realise. Yours is the proper theatrical reconstruction then 😉

Well, Harmy’s is a proper theatrical construction. Mine takes a few seconds of shots directly from Tn1’s print, so there is that aspect.

Color wise, though, mine isn’t really making any such claim. If anything, it’s still largely Technicolor inspired but aims to remove parts that were off either due to the raw scan or poor Technicolor QC, in order to make it a bit more visually appealing to those of us who are more used to 80’s/early 90’s home video timing.

The other things I never really noticed, but the skin tones always looked a little funny to me in SW, this looks great! Will fit in very nicely with the other despecialized editions. Very nice work.

CatBus said:

So, I don’t know if this has already been addressed, but if this does have a future release pending, it’d be nice to have better dubs & subtitles than what’s available on 2.5. The broken Castilian track alone causes more grief with 2.5 than anything. PM me if you need links.

Thanks. I didn’t include any subs for the initial release, since anyone with spleen access can just get the latest Threepio anyway and be better off.

For the BD, I won’t be including non-english dubs because I’m limited on track count. But I could use updated ones for a future mkv release.

CatBus said:

That’s fine. I just don’t want the old tracks included on new releases when there are better options. Leaving them out entirely is fine too, because people can always go get the latest & greatest, as you said.

Are there any besides the Castilian track that are important to update?

Memorex said:

towne32 said:

Memorex said:
Btw, did you manage to keep all the english audio mixes for the final encode?

One thing I haven’t brought up until now is that the first 3 tracks, that were DTS-HD, are going to be the Dolby Digital versions from Harmy’s AVCHD release. Again, an MKV version for anyone who finds this to be a dealbreaker.

Cool, an MKV with lossless audio would be the droids I’m looking for 😉

Not sure whether you’ve started your encoding yet or not, but just wanted to ask; The night shot of Luke and
C3PO outside the homestead, could it benefit from a 35mm transplant? Havn’t seen SSE yet so I actually have no clue how that scene fares. IIRC Harmy rotoscoped Lukes’ face from the BD into gout footage.

I’m not aware of any shot that he altered in that sequence aside from the long shot that got replaced in the SE. But then again, the Leia face rotoscope at the end of Jedi 1.0 was news to me very recently. Can’t unsee that one.

If it is something he worked on, I still probably won’t do anything with it due to the difficulties in matching the quality, grain, and color of something like that to surrounding sequence.

Oh, at night. Of course. Hmm. I have already rendered it. Again. But maybe I’ll take a look at it. Forgot about that one.