Team Negative1 — Page 4

brycebayer said:

I missed the post that said Mike paid for the scans.

And the part where Mike scanned TN1’s LPP before TN1 owned it. And the part where “a print owner” was the owner of a different print. And the part where negative1 refused to send it to Mike to rescan the crawl after Mike sent TN1 the 4K Greedo scene.

Not trying to stir up trouble, and some TN1 members appeared to be unaware of all this. Just emphasizing that there’s no similarity between what Mike did and what negative1 did, since the earlier post seemed to suggest they were on par.

DavidMerrick said:

Whatever. I wage $50 that Disney announces Blu Rays of the original unaltered trilogy before 2016 is over.

My guess is that when Lucas sold LucasFilm to Disney, he likely included a clause that says if Disney releases the original trilogy in any form, that the rights to the film revert back to Lucas or his estate.

We all know that Lucas hates his original versions and considers the “Special Editions” as his true, and only acceptable for release, versions.

Otherwise, Disney would have released the original trilogy as soon as they got the rights as the originals would be a HUGE revenue stream.

In other words, Harmy’s, and others, versions are likely the only pure versions we will see for a very long time.

I’ve always found the “Lucas clause” theory utterly ridiculous. Apart from the fact that I’ve heard from multiple people within the Disney corporation that no such clause exists to their knowledge, it would make absolutely no sense for Disney to agree to such a thing. I think Lucas sold the company because he simply doesn’t want anything to do with it anymore, so he wouldn’t even want to add something like that to put further scrutiny on him.

I really don’t think Lucas hates the idea of releasing the originals as much as people seem to think, I just think he’s a guy who focuses on the future and didn’t personally see the point of putting in the time and effort to restore the “old versions” to a presentable form. He sees the films as Walt Disney saw Disneyland: evolving and never complete. I doubt he’d really complain or anything if lucasfilm released the originals under new management. It’s just that he didn’t personally want to do it himself. He’s not an asshole, he just doesn’t do things if he doesn’t want to, which however reprehensible, you gotta respect to a degree.

My suspicion is that Disney is working on a restoration, or at least has it in their plans, but are focusing on the sequel trilogy and rebels at the moment to renew interest in the saga, which will surely boost sales when the unaltered blu rays are announced.

Jay said:

Keep it on topic, please.

Sorry. Posted before I saw.

I thought N1 owned the LPP that Mike scanned and used. I misunderstood. So much information to sift through!

And the part where Mike scanned TN1’s LPP before TN1 owned it. And the part where “a print owner” was the owner of a different print. And the part where negative1 refused to send it to Mike to rescan the crawl after Mike sent TN1 the 4K Greedo scene.

Not trying to stir up trouble, and some TN1 members appeared to be unaware of all this. Just emphasizing that there’s no similarity between what Mike did and what negative1 did, since the earlier post seemed to suggest they were on par.

Lucas handed over all Star Wars assets to Disney. All his ideas, all his licensing rights, property rights, absolutely everything. And he got paid 4 billion dollars for it. When you’re getting that kind of obscene money, you’re not in any position to tell the buyer what to do with their new property. If he was, if he still cared so much about his “artistic vision,” he probably would have made them use his ideas for the sequel trilogy, no? But he didn’t do that; we know they didn’t use any of his ideas even though he had to give them to them. I think it’s clear that Lucas was just done with Star Wars and was fed up with the fan backlash so he was admitting defeat, cashing out and running. I think the idea that he forced Disney to only release the Special Editions absurd. If that was the case, then why would Disney and Fox executives even bother to meet with Mike Verta? Clearly they can if they want to. I’m telling you people, they’re waiting for the 40th anniversary in 2017. That’s part of the reason why they didn’t do it immediately, that and they wanted to make a proper restoration and build hype. I think a theatrical release isn’t out of the question either. Disney is not “infamous for Lucasization” as far as I know and, more importantly, they like money. Plus, with TFA, they’ve proven that they’re listening to the fans and are happy to give older fans nostalgia.

Density said:

Disney is not “infamous for Lucasization” as far as I know

I guess you’re not aware of the cuts they’ve made to Fantasia, their refusal to release Song of the South on DVD/Blu-ray within North America, and all the DNRing they’re done to the Blu-ray releases of their classic animated features.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Density said:

Disney is not “infamous for Lucasization” as far as I know

I guess you’re not aware of the cuts they’ve made to Fantasia, their refusal to release Song of the South on DVD/Blu-ray within North America, and all the DNRing they’re done to the Blu-ray releases of their classic animated features.

I was only aware of Song of the South, and that has been withheld for entirely different reasons than a stubborn refusal to compromise a so-called “vision.”

As for Fantasia, it looks to me like they actually restored the original theatrical roadshow version of it for later releases so… Not like they replaced all the broomsticks with CGI or something or swapped out one of the songs for “Jedi Rocks.”

And DNR, while you may disapprove of its use, is a little (extremely) different than altering the storyline or throwing new digital bullshit all over the screen.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Have you any clue the time and effort a proper restoration of 40 year-old film elements would take, especially in the condition in which they supposedly exist for Star Wars? It is completely understandable that the future of the Saga (i.e., making sequels) was given precedence over the old given Disney’s massive investment in the project and the equally massive, all but guaranteed payoff of making new movies. What would be in the eyes of a casual fan “just another DVD release” isn’t going to be nearly as huge a revenue stream.

Keep in mind TN1’s restoration took 3 years and that wasnt the original negative!!

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It also, while being very good, wasn’t pro quality

FrankT said:

TV’s Frink said:

FrankT said:

it’s still our fault.

Care to withdraw that statement now?

I suppose I should.

Does this mean the endorsement on the Silver Screen Edition is getting pulled?

What endorsement?

Density said:

Lucas handed over all Star Wars assets to Disney. All his ideas, all his licensing rights, property rights, absolutely everything. And he got paid 4 billion dollars for it. When you’re getting that kind of obscene money, you’re not in any position to tell the buyer what to do with their new property. If he was, if he still cared so much about his “artistic vision,” he probably would have made them use his ideas for the sequel trilogy, no? But he didn’t do that; we know they didn’t use any of his ideas even though he had to give them to them. I think it’s clear that Lucas was just done with Star Wars and was fed up with the fan backlash so he was admitting defeat, cashing out and running. I think the idea that he forced Disney to only release the Special Editions absurd. If that was the case, then why would Disney and Fox executives even bother to meet with Mike Verta? Clearly they can if they want to. I’m telling you people, they’re waiting for the 40th anniversary in 2017. That’s part of the reason why they didn’t do it immediately, that and they wanted to make a proper restoration and build hype. I think a theatrical release isn’t out of the question either. Disney is not “infamous for Lucasization” as far as I know and, more importantly, they like money. Plus, with TFA, they’ve proven that they’re listening to the fans and are happy to give older fans nostalgia.

I know this is off-topic to the thread itself, but felt compelled to respond to this part of the conversation. I have no doubts that Disney wants a 40th Anniversary release, however there is at least one tall hurdle to clear.

An article from ScreenRant published on September 19 2015 states that Twentieth Century Fox owns distribution rights to Episodes I-III; V; and VI until 2020, and owns the distribution rights to Episode IV indefinitely. If that article is accurate, any meeting between Disney/Fox and Verta would have to be awfully productive. That’s not to say that an original trilogy re-release is impossible, of course.