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What Didn't You Like About ROTS? — Page 4

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Watching them again ROTS is the most watchable for me because the pacing is better. Semi exciting stuff happens in ROTS every now and again whereas only a couple of interesting things happen in TPM and AOTC.

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THIS THREAD IS ABOUT WHAT YOU DIDN’T LIKE!!!

(half kidding)

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TV’s Frink said:

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT WHAT YOU DIDN’T LIKE!!!

(half kidding)

Well…I didn’t like the pacing. It was better than the other two in that regard but that doesn’t mean it was a well paced film.

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I actually think AOTC is reasonably paced. The open is a bit slow, but then you have the city chase, then Ani and Obi are split up and it cuts between their story-lines, then they come back together for the action at the end.

Too bad pace is the very least of that movie’s problems.

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“Only through me can you achieve a power greater then any jedi. And only through me, because im the last of the jedi’s opposition. As in, one of the sith. I’m a sith, Anakin. I’ve spent the last five years using elaborate made-up stories and painfully obvious implications and you haven’t picked up on a single one. But I’m sure you brush that off as being ‘quiet and contemplative’, a real Man of Steel you are. Now you know, so hurry up and listen to me, only I have the power to save the ones you love. Well, I don’t. Not yet, probably never, but I’ll wait until you’ve committed to irreversible actions to tell you. Any questions?”

“…What did you say?”

“Use my knowledge. I beg you.”

“Wait a minute…YOU’RE THE SITH LORD”

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For all intents and purposes Sith and Clones are tied for worst for me, but if I’m doing a proper ranking I give Sith the 6 slot because it commits more fully to being a hot mess. It’s at least ridiculous enough to be engaging.

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TV’s Frink said:

I actually think AOTC is reasonably paced. The open is a bit slow, but then you have the city chase, then Ani and Obi are split up and it cuts between their story-lines, then they come back together for the action at the end.

Too bad pace is the very least of that movie’s problems.

AOTC starts off with a bang…literally. And after the chase scene is when they tried to develop the love story a bit and nothing interesting happens until Anakin goes to find his mom. Even as it pertains to Obi-Wan his story doesn’t get interesting until his fight with Jango Fett…then the rest of the movie happens. In between these scenes we of course got people talking about…stuff and hardly any of it furthered the plot. The best example is the scene where Obi-Wan, Mace and Yoda are talking about Anakin being arrogant when it was already established in the chase scene that Anakin was full of himself. Also most of the action in AOTC was ass to me; especially the lightsaber duels whereas ROTS had multiple entertaining moments of action throughout it’s runtime. Of course stuff like the duel with Grevious was terrible but it’s not as bad as Yoda’s fight with Dooku.

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Pace and execution are two different things.

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If certain scenes were executed differently the pacing would feel different. Would it not?

Also there’s this

Lord Haseo said:
In between these scenes we of course got people talking about…stuff and hardly any of it furthered the plot.

This does effect pacing. All of the boring talking scenes killed the pacing of the film.

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I thought Clones was pretty good. Except the horrible execution of the love subplot, the bad dialogue, the bad CGI, and the horrible idea that the clones are the stormtroopers, it was pretty enjoyable.

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pittrek said:

I thought Clones was pretty good.

As Obi-Wan said in one of the few good lines in ROTS, I’m so sorry.

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ray_afraid said:

^OT stormtroopers aren’t clones. They’re all different heights and sizes and they all have different voices.
But, that may have been what Georgy was goin’ for… I don’t remember.

I believe he was referring to the fact that they made the clones the storm trooper equivalent in the story, rather than the clones being the enemy. My personal belief is that the clone part of the Clone Wars was a Mandolorian clone army that the old Republic (storm troopers) fought against. Making the storm troopers clones in the PT also started the fan confusion about them being clones in the OT.

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pittrek said:

I thought Clones was pretty good. Except the horrible execution of the love subplot, the bad dialogue, the bad CGI, and the horrible idea that the clones are the stormtroopers, it was pretty enjoyable.

Damning with faint praise?

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How anyone can find the good in any of the prequels is discombobulating. All three are terrible films. ROTS was probably the biggest mistake in cinematic history!

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Bosk said:
ROTS was probably the biggest mistake in cinematic history!

I think that would be TPM because if that didn’t exist ROTS wouldn’t either.

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How anyone can find the good in any of the prequels is discombobulating

There are good things about them…they’re just few and very far between.

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ZkinandBonez said:

Even bad movies are made by professionals. It would be quite presumptions to claim that absolutely everything about a movie is bad. And there does exist far worse films than the PT trilogy out there.

Star Wars fans need to look at IHE’s Search For The Worst to see genuinely terrible movies actually are. Birdemic and the like are far more abhorrent than the PT could ever be.

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Lord Haseo said:

How anyone can find the good in any of the prequels is discombobulating

There are good things about them…they’re just few and very far between.

I’ve heard that for years, but just can’t see any truth in it.

Also, Birdemic and the like are what they say they are. They aren’t parading around as high art, they’re slinking around as trashy cheap movies. Nothin’ wrong with that in my book.

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ray_afraid said:

Lord Haseo said:

How anyone can find the good in any of the prequels is discombobulating

There are good things about them…they’re just few and very far between.

I’ve heard that for years, but just can’t see any truth in it.

The Soundtracks

A couple of the lightsaber duels

Worlds like Naboo, Coruscant and Kamino are beautiful and make the universe feel much larger than it is in the OT

More diversity among sentients. Yes quite a few of the Aliens are stupid but the OUT had the Wolfman so…

Ewan Mcgregor and Ian Mcdiarmid pretty good given that most of their material is meh

I’m sure I could conjure up a few more things but you get the drift.

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ray_afraid said:
Also, Birdemic and the like are what they say they are. They aren’t parading around as high art, they’re slinking around as trashy cheap movies. Nothin’ wrong with that in my book.

What about Avatar The Last Airbender?

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Lord Haseo said:

A couple of the lightsaber duels

None of the lightsaber duels were any good. They were cheap entertainment without meaning or reality. They all suffer from being too well choreographed. What ever happened to having the duels set up by an actual expert in swordplay?

Worlds like [Waterfall City], Coruscant and Kamino are beautiful and make the universe feel much larger than it is in the OT

I don’t have much against the designs per-say, but all of these places look so fake and are so full of crap that it’s hard to call them beautiful.

…but the OUT had the Wolfman so…

Not a bad thing.

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Dek Rollins said:

Lord Haseo said:

A couple of the lightsaber duels

None of the lightsaber duels were any good.

If so then all of the duels in the OT were utter garbage. I liked Duel of The Fates and the rematch with Dooku. Obi-Wan vs Vader would have been so much better if it were shorter so I’m not going to count it.

And while over choreographed some of them are still entertaining on the surface. Also I’m not talking about the stories that are taking place within the duels; just the duels themselves

I don’t have much against the designs per-say, but all of these places look so fake and are so full of crap that it’s hard to call them beautiful.

That’s fair.

Not a bad thing.

From a guy who watched the OUT for the first time when I was 18 it totally dragged me out of the film and doesn’t fit in at all. It’s quite ridiculous actually and considering the universe in which Star Wars takes place that’s saying something.

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Lord Haseo,
Everything you mentioned being good about the PT, I disagree with.
Everything you mentioned being bad about the OT, I disagree with.
Dek Rollins,
I agree with your points.
Wolfman,
Don’t worry, you’re still awesome and you fit in perfectly. Both of you.

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ray_afraid said:
Also, Birdemic and the like are what they say they are. They aren’t parading around as high art, they’re slinking around as trashy cheap movies. Nothin’ wrong with that in my book.

What about Avatar The Last Airbender?

I’ve never had any interest in the kids cartoon or the stupid looking M. Night Shamalamadingdong movie based on it, so I wouldn’t know. I’m guessing it’s probably on par with AOTC and was made for that kind of audience.

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ray_afraid said:

Lord Haseo,
Everything you mentioned being good about the PT, I disagree with.
Everything you mentioned being bad about the OT, I disagree with.

Not surprised in the slightest but okay.