Info Thread: 3D Movies Preservation — Page 3

jsonthegreat said:

D-Rock said:

mt17 said:

TripleHBK said:

Oldfan said:

TripleHBK said:

This isn't my creation, it was given to me by another forum member "jsonthegreat" from Blu-ray.com shortly after the release of the collection.

 The reason for the 2 separate sources (one DVD & One Blu Ray) is that one eye is from the dvd (I can't remember which, but let's call it the left) and one from the Blu Ray (Let's call it the Right).  The reason is that when 3D is filmed with a dual camera setup 2 separate perspectives are created and For whatever reason, the DVD used the Left eye perspective, while the Blu Ray used the right eye perspective.  The fact that both perspectives were available meant they could be assembled into a fully functioning Real 3d image, and not just one that was post processed into 3D.  

Again, I didn't do any of the work myself, so I can't go into specifics beyond what I've said as I really don't know much more but from what I was told, the DVD was scaled and synced with the Blu Ray release.

I'm unaware if this was ever released publicly on any sites or newsgroups. The creator was banned from the forum shortly after talking about it, and I haven't seen him since.  I was fortunate enough to be one of the few folks that got a copy prior to him getting the boot, so I really don't know how many other people have copies.  

I'd be happy to share for those interested but need to find a viable method for sharing.  I may try the sendspace multiple link route that TeamBlu has used in the past, as I don't want to permanently host a torrent, nor am I really interested in mailing out copies. With that said, I'll look into what other options I have, and see if I can't get this hosted somewhere.  

One solution may be for interested parties to create their own mega.co.nz accounts as I believe I could transfer the files to new accounts from my my account without it counting towards individual bandwidth limits, but I'm not sure on that.  The file is 11GB in size.  I've used my Plex media server to stream it previously myself though I have a copy burned to bd-r as well.  Ideally, someone would be interested in taking this and turning it into a full release with menu and extra's and possibly the 2D version all on a BD-50, but for now that's wishful thinking.

 

I'm one of the other lucky few that manged to get a copy before he stopped posting there. We actually exchanged pm's about the project. I gave him some thoughts I had on the transfer, along with some timecodes of when there are glitches and errors. He replied back that he was planning on tweaking the final version but he never posted it to my knowledge.

I watched it on my 3D tv, and it was indeed spectacular. Keep in mind that it is flawed though. One of the sources was the DVD and the DVD has a different color palette to it than the blu-ray. So the right and left eye each see a different master with different coloring and brightness. When seen together your eyes merge them together fairly seamlessly for the most part. That also means the DVD side has less sharpness and resolution due to it being sourced from DVD.

A bigger issue is that a fair amount of footage in this fan release is in 2D, not 3D. For whatever reason, many of the shots use the same eye in both the DVD and blu-ray - which means that throught the 3D presentation, it will randomly switch to 2D, then back to 3D in the following shot. The glasses of course will remain active - but the image itself will be flat. Thankfully most of the 3D gimmick shots are preserved wonderfully in full 3D, but a couple gimmick shots that stick out of the screen are sadly in 2D. Most of the shots in 2D are quick - the majority of the film is still in amazing 3D - but there are a fair number of shots - some just a few seconds, some longer - that aren't in 3D.

It's still the best 3D presentation you are likely to see of this movie, ever, until Paramount or Warner decides to release this properly in 3D.

 I appreciate the info and I'm glad someone else has gotten to appreciate his work.  With that said, I've nearly gotten the full file uploaded on mega.co.nz so I'll be testing my theory shortly on whether I can share with other mega users or not.

 Please share soon!

 I'd be very interested in this as well. I have heard of some of these floating around, but I haven't been able to find them...

Hey, wait a second... I wasn't banned :-P

Yes, I did put together a 1080p 3D Side-by-Side mkv file of Friday the 13th 3D utilizing Adobe Premiere and available source elements (The UK Blu-Ray, and the Ultimate Edition DVD). It was going good and I created the first version of this for beta testing and sent it to a few users on blu-ray.com.

Then lightning struck. Literally. My house was hit by a lightning strike which fried my computer AND my backup drive. In addition to many personal photos and design projects, I lost the source files and the premiere files for this project. After that, I disappeared from the forums and sulked for a while. But, recently, I was able to recover the mkv file from an external drive I had put it on when I was testing it on my television. 

I'm still trying to decide what to do with it... perhaps I will upload it somewhere and try and fix any problems in it that are noticed.

Wow, that's some bad news. Sorry to hear about that.

I'm the one that sent you a bunch of detailed notes with timeframes on blu-ray.com regarding your 3D mkv. If it would help, I still have the notes I sent you, so I could pm them to you here if you'd like. I'm not sure if they would do any good, depending on if you were able to recover the source files or if you just have the mkv. The biggest issue might be out of your hands - many, many shots are obviously not in 3D. It switches back and forth a lot, and I suspect it's due to the left and right prints that were used for the DVD and blu-ray. For whatever reason, one print or the other may have used bits and pieces of the other eye for whatever reason. That's just a guess. I watched it again recently and the 3D really is outstanding. It's just the 2D bits in-between that hurt the presentation, but that may be out of your control. Let me know.

Thanks for the feedback.

Yeah the 2D shots that are in that version I created could not be helped at the time. Without the other eye print available in some of the shots, its either present it in 2D or convert it, which I don't have the ability to do myself. I was thinking of checking the version on Vudu to see if it matches the Blu-Ray print. Wouldn't it be amazing if it was the the right-eye print?

I would love to revisit this project. Send me your notes on here and I will take a look at what I have. Whatever I do, it will have to be done from scratch... but I think I have been away from this for long enough that the sting of having to recreate it doesn't hurt so much. 

I would also love to work on creating a full-on blu-ray of this. I'm good at creating standard 2D blu-rays with menus, extras, commentary, etc. But 3D is a bit tricky. Do you guys think there would be someone out there with the skills to do 3D blu-ray authoring that would be down to help out with this project?

jsonthegreat said:

Thanks for the feedback.

Yeah the 2D shots that are in that version I created could not be helped at the time. Without the other eye print available in some of the shots, its either present it in 2D or convert it, which I don't have the ability to do myself. I was thinking of checking the version on Vudu to see if it matches the Blu-Ray print. Wouldn't it be amazing if it was the the right-eye print?

I would love to revisit this project. Send me your notes on here and I will take a look at what I have. Whatever I do, it will have to be done from scratch... but I think I have been away from this for long enough that the sting of having to recreate it doesn't hurt so much. 

I would also love to work on creating a full-on blu-ray of this. I'm good at creating standard 2D blu-rays with menus, extras, commentary, etc. But 3D is a bit tricky. Do you guys think there would be someone out there with the skills to do 3D blu-ray authoring that would be down to help out with this project?

 Wow, I'm glad to see you back on the boards, I didn't think I'd cross paths with you again!  I know that there would be a substantial amount of us that would love to assist you in any way that we can if it meant we could get this project rolling again and even closer to a finished project.  

First, @jsonthegreat, my sympathies - that would have been devastating to me as well.  It's like...where do you start again?  Glad you are heading over the other side of that now.

As to F13 3 in 3D - Yes, yes, please! - I've been searching for a year for your version, ever since I heard about it .   No joke, a year.  I have had the .mkv at the top of my BT client since I first found a torrent for it about six months ago, but there are just no seeders anywhere.  I've never seen this in 3D and of course because it's almost Halloween I've been going nuts trying to locate it in time for my F13th marathon, LOL.

I know it will probably be awhile until you do a final version, but is the .mkv up anywhere at the moment?  You'd make some folks Halloween, LOL. :)

First of all, let me say thank you for the time you have taken to create this. I was one of the fortunate few to get a copy of the MKV you put together last year and it is easily the best home version of this film I have ever seen. I have a 3D movie projector and 150 inch screen and watching this film with the 3-D the way it was intended is truly a dream.

I echo the sentiments that were written in the other posts in that when the 3-D works in your version, it really works amazingly. The unfortunate side effect of course is what you have already noted in that the scenes where it is 2-D there is sometimes pretty bad ghosting or blur and it sometimes takes away from the effect or makes the film difficult to watch. Not your fault of course.

What surprises me is that given that both eye prints are out there that others have not tried to make their own side-by-side version using the same two prints that you have. I wish I knew more about the technology to help you create this. My thoughts would be to take the version you have with the awesome 3-D effects and then also find a way to go 2d for the segments of time where the ghosting was occurring – in other words, just overlay the same for both eyes which I would hope would take away the ghosting. Without a full length version of the other eye that’s the best we can do.

To me, this is a holy Grail of a home 3-D viewing experience, and I can’t believe that Paramount or Warner Bros. have not done something to make this title happen. I would pay premium amounts of money to own it. Your version shows how amazing this can look.

Any news on this? Movement? What can we do to help? I’d love to see fire lit under this conversion again.

Somebody may take a stab at it sometime. If they do, they’ll totally kill it.

It really makes me wish I was a wizard with video editing software. I’d seek out the left and right eye versions myself and get to steppin’.

I’d like to see full HD 3D restorations of Spacehunter and Metalstorm (both of which I have on '80s VHS cassettes, respectively using the right and left eyes). I’d especially love to see Spacehunter in 3D without those annoying Japanese subtitles (they’re not annoying per se, it’s the hardcoding that annoys me).

–Charles Threepio
Human-Logo Enthusiast Relations

jsonthegreat said (1-Oct-2015, 12:02 PM):
My house was hit by a lightning strike which fried my computer AND my backup drive.

I’m a little late to this thread, but … wow! Count your blessings on what else might have happened but didn’t.

Your hard drive may still be salvageable. It’s only the electronics that were fried, not necessarily damage to the platens, too. It may be worth a gamble & the expense to have the drive platens physically moved into the working case of an identical drive (same make/model/controller-chip) in a “clean room”, of course.

BTW, Jaws 3D has been released on BluRay.

Hi There- I recently got the Gear VR and have quite a few 3D movies which I purchased from a fellow years back. The thing is I only have Field Sequential versions of Friday the 13th and Jaws 3D. Does anyone know how to convert FS to SBS or have copies of these films? Thanks!!

Colson said:

Pinkulo said:

Hi There- I recently got the Gear VR and have quite a few 3D movies which I purchased from a fellow years back. The thing is I only have Field Sequential versions of Friday the 13th and Jaws 3D. Does anyone know how to convert FS to SBS or have copies of these films? Thanks!!

Found this:

In AviSynth it’s

WhateverSource()
left=SelectEven().BilinearResize(width/2,height)
right=SelectOdd().BilinearResize(width/2,height)
StackHorizontal(left,right)

Thanks, but I think this is just for playing it on the PC. Is it possible to re-encode the file so I can put in on the SD card?

Any chance of getting the F13 mkv? Been trying and trying to convert using DVDFAB but the 3D is horrible. Thanks in advance!

Pinkulo said:

Any chance of getting the F13 mkv? Been trying and trying to convert using DVDFAB but the 3D is horrible. Thanks in advance!

I had this at one point and lost it. I remember the file looked great where it worked but there were many areas where the 3D was still headache inducing. Still can’t believe no one has figured out how to make this properly yet or that Paramount doesn’t pay to have this released. To me this is the 3D holy grail if done properly.

bbddpp said:

Pinkulo said:

Any chance of getting the F13 mkv? Been trying and trying to convert using DVDFAB but the 3D is horrible. Thanks in advance!

I had this at one point and lost it. I remember the file looked great where it worked but there were many areas where the 3D was still headache inducing. Still can’t believe no one has figured out how to make this properly yet or that Paramount doesn’t pay to have this released. To me this is the 3D holy grail if done properly.

I agree! Would love to see this project picked up again!

I for one would love to help in this preservation, if there is anything needed please inform me. I’m a huge 80’s 3D fan and have am dying to see this cleaned up further. (I have the .MKV of Friday 3D and it is magnificent but could be even more amazing. I’d love to see Spacehunter cleaned up as well. I found a Russian side by side that had the new Blu-Ray on one side and the half of the old Field sequential as the other eye. It actualy looked pretty great but was cut down to 1:85 and had hardcoded subs as well as Russian audio but still super fun to see it nonetheless. I wonder is anyone else has put the time into other projects like this. Gathering different eyes from different DVD or Blu releases? It’s very smart actually… I wish there was a copy of Man Who wasn’t there’ out there, I think that is the only 80’s 3D release I haven’t seen outside of the Earl Owensby movies.

Brontosaurus said:

I for one would love to help in this preservation, if there is anything needed please inform me. I’m a huge 80’s 3D fan and have am dying to see this cleaned up further. (I have the .MKV of Friday 3D and it is magnificent but could be even more amazing. I’d love to see Spacehunter cleaned up as well. I found a Russian side by side that had the new Blu-Ray on one side and the half of the old Field sequential as the other eye. It actualy looked pretty great but was cut down to 1:85 and had hardcoded subs as well as Russian audio but still super fun to see it nonetheless. I wonder is anyone else has put the time into other projects like this. Gathering different eyes from different DVD or Blu releases? It’s very smart actually… I wish there was a copy of Man Who wasn’t there’ out there, I think that is the only 80’s 3D release I haven’t seen outside of the Earl Owensby movies.

How does one get this Friday 3D mkv?