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Info Wanted: What is considered by most fans to be the best edit of the Prequels? — Page 2

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MalàStrana said:

chyron8472 said:
Oh, and have I mentioned that the scene of Padme alive on Alderaan with Leia clinches it for me and that it makes me smile every single time I see it? I haven’t?

If you had watched the movie this shot comes from, you wouldn’t smile at all…

( 😃 )

(funny fact is The Other Boleyn Girl is kinda a prequel to the Cate Blanchett Elisabeth movies).

It’s not my kind of movie though.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Well, it’s basically “Star Wars” without light sabers and with incestuous scenes that go really beyond Luke and Leia kiss. So, yeah it’s boring, you can skip it.

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chyron8472 said:

Hal 9000 said:

chyron8472 said:

Hal is the only one who properly implements the Palpatine Sith-reveal and also does everything else well. L8wrtr and Stanckpac implement it wrong

I don’t have a copy of L8wrtr’s edits on hand, but as far as I remember, mine and his were pretty close? Maybe?

Pretty close. Very pretty close.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

chyron8472 said:

Hal 9000 said:

chyron8472 said:

Hal is the only one who properly implements the Palpatine Sith-reveal and also does everything else well. L8wrtr and Stanckpac implement it wrong

I don’t have a copy of L8wrtr’s edits on hand, but as far as I remember, mine and his were pretty close? Maybe?

Pretty close. Very pretty close.

how about using the suit scene and the vader naming scene in empire or jedi.

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I don’t understand your question. Are you asking me if I would prefer a fanedited Original Trilogy?

If that’s that you’re asking, then no. Star Wars Despecialized is my go to. Warts and all, the original Original Trilogy needs no changes.

Except if it’s made by Adywan. I’ll accept Adywan’s edits as a Special Edition, but they wouldn’t supercede Despecialized as my favorite (plus, Adywan won’t be done in a very very long time, and his Episode IV thus far is not HD, so good luck with that.)

…or are you asking if I’d prefer scenes from the OT to be used in the PT? No. The PT footage was filmed differently than the PT, and as such would stand out. Plus, it would look like obviously recycled stock footage and that’s not the best idea.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

I don’t understand your question. Are you asking me if I would prefer a fanedited Original Trilogy?

If that’s that you’re asking, then no. Star Wars Despecialized is my go to. Warts and all, the original Original Trilogy needs no changes.

Except if it’s made by Adywan. I’ll accept Adywan’s edits as a Special Edition, but they wouldn’t supercede Despecialized as my favorite (plus, Adywan won’t be done in a very very long time, and his Episode IV thus far is not SD, so good luck with that.)

…or are you asking if I’d prefer scenes from the OT to be used in the PT? No. The PT footage was filmed differently than the PT, and as such would stand out. Plus, it would look like obviously recycled stock footage and that’s not the best idea.

no i mean using the suit scene and the vader naming scene in empire strikes back or return of the jedi as a flashback scene.

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Oh. No, I’d say leave it to the audience to fill in the gaps. Subtlety is better than being force fed information, and as I said, the quality of the footage wouldn’t match. Just have a good story, with interesting, believable characters. The backstory doesn’t have to be explained entirely on screen.

The OT doesn’t need to have PT footage inserted into it. It’s the PT that needs to be edited to fit the OT, not the other way around. Adywan’s edits for example, while wonderful, don’t change story elements. He just updates the quality of certain special effects and he fixes prop inconsistencies.

The OT is fine in its original form.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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jedimasterobiwan said:

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I’d go with Kerr’s for episode III. I think that the way he has edited it actually makes me feel sympathy with Anakin, and elevates the film to the best of the prequels. The film is still average, but now at least it isn’t boring.
As a film: 6.5/10
As an edit: 8.5/10

What’s your favorite edit of ep 1 and ep 2?

Magnoliafan’s

Not enough people read the EU.

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I don’t think it works (if it does to you, I believe you): if you remove the naming and the suit from EpIII, some events of EpIV appear to be incomprehensible (“Vader, who was a people of mine”, “now I am the Master”) instead of being mysterious. Hence, the reveal of the end of EpV wouldn’t still be a reveal, because the audience (let’s assume someone who has never seen the movie before) would easily guess it with all the elements found in EpIV:

“well, Vader was Obi-Wan’s disciple (IV), we know he was seduced by the dark side (IV), he helped the Emperor to destroy the Jedi (IV), he has killed Anakin (IV), but Anakin was killed by Obi-Wan (III), and moreover he seems pretty damaged under this suit (V), so… yeah, this dude is Anakin. Why make a mystery to the audience of something so obvious ?”

The best way to keep the reveal is the full machete order: 4-5-1-2-3-6 (or 1-4-5-2-3-6).

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chyron8472 said:

Q2’s Fall of the Jedi Trilogy.

My personal opinion is that Q2’s are the definitive edition, and Hal’s are like an Extended Cut (“you liked the theatrical cut, now watch it with extra footage”) supplement. Kind of like the Extended LOTR movies.

I agree.
Full disclosure: I haven’t watched HAL9000’s completely yet but fully intend to once v4 of ep3 hits faninfo.org.
As a new fan, I was surprised at how I simply couldn’t get through ep1 at all. Downloaded Q2’s Fall of the Jedi Trilogy, and was glued to the TV like I was with the OT.

MalàStrana said:

The best way to keep the reveal is the full machete order: 4-5-1-2-3-6 (or 1-4-5-2-3-6).

I can see that, and that this might also be the best way to watch HAL9000’s edits (minus ep1… Jar Jar, ugh).

So I think (reservedly) that I will still prefer Q2’s to watch from I-VII in order, but HAL9000’s for Machete order (IV, V, II, III, VI, VII), based on the fact that Vader still makes an appearance at the end of ep3.

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MalàStrana said:

I don’t think it works (if it does to you, I believe you): if you remove the naming and the suit from EpIII, some events of EpIV appear to be incomprehensible (“Vader, who was a people of mine”, “now I am the Master”) instead of being mysterious.

It’s not incomprehensible. It works. Between 3 and 4, Obi-Wan would have learned of Vader’s existence and known it was Anakin. Besides, Obi-Wan never called Anakin “Vader” in the theatrical version anyway. And the OT has inconsistencies with itself, without the help of the PT.

All I’ll say is, just watch Q2’s Trilogy before you proceed to pick it apart. It’s good.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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MalàStrana said:

The best way to keep the reveal is the full machete order: 4-5-1-2-3-6 (or 1-4-5-2-3-6).

Machete order removes 1. “Full Machete” is really “no machete” because the machete removes something.

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TV’s Frink said:
Machete order removes 1. “Full Machete” is really “no machete” because the machete removes something.

If I cut my steack in half, I still get to eat the very same amount of meat…

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chyron8472 said:
It’s not incomprehensible. It works. Between 3 and 4, Obi-Wan would have learned of Vader’s existence and known it was Anakin. Besides, Obi-Wan never called Anakin “Vader” in the theatrical version anyway. And the OT has inconsistencies with itself, without the help of the PT.

Removing inconsistencies with new ones is not a good deal. There is no perfect way though.

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MalàStrana said:

TV’s Frink said:
Machete order removes 1. “Full Machete” is really “no machete” because the machete removes something.

If I cut my steack in half, I still get to eat the very same amount of meat…

I don’t know what this is supposed to mean.

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MalàStrana said:

Removing inconsistencies with new ones is not a good deal.

Yes it is. I’m not saying one should fanedit the OT story elements. I already said the OT is fine. But it does have inconsistencies, like Ben saying Imperial Stormtroopers are precise; or 3PO saying he’s not very good at telling stories; or Han saying Lando is the respectable one; or Ben saying Anakin wanted Luke to have his lightsaber when he was old enough, even though to protect him from the Emperor, Luke was hidden from his father when he was born; or saying Luke was hidden from his father when he was born while Ben seemed to have had to give up the name Obi-Wan long before then.

Again, I say watch Fall of the Jedi before you pick it apart. And try to give benefit of the doubt going in, because if you expect to be disappointed then that’s likely what you’ll get.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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MalàStrana said:

I bet you don’t.

That’s great to know.

If nothing else, maybe you’ll stop using Machete Order wrong?

Or stop spelling steak wrong?

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And besides the whole “inconsistencies” thing. What it’s really about is creating movies which have interesting characters with believable motives and also telling a good story. I believe Q2’s and Hal’s edits tell good stories. I believe that they, meanwhile, also succeed in making Anakin’s fall believable by changing his motives. But I prefer Q2’s storytelling decisions for specific reasons.

Simple as that.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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TV’s Frink said:

MalàStrana said:

I bet you don’t.

That’s great to know.

If nothing else, maybe you’ll stop using Machete Order wrong?

Or stop spelling steak wrong?

Or just you start ignoring my messages if you stick to this aggressive behavior.

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While I still doubt the effectiveness of trying to make the existing prequels into edits preserving OT surprises/structure, I will say this: Q2’s and AEmovieguy’s (and perhaps others’) edits of Episode III go a long way to undermine the rapidfire slideshow of morphing things into how they look in ANH.

My stance on revising fan edits.