- Time
- Post link
A response to the "They're His Movies" arguement — Page 2
- Time
- Post link
Quote
Originally posted by: SerVente
its just like micheal jackson nose... its hes nose he has the right to change it
Okay, while that's true. I gotta say that the SW movies are different in that they are works of artistic creativity that were meant to be shared with the world (ideally, I prefer not to share MJ's nose). If he's going to share them, he's got to keep copies of them available to all who shared in them with him especially since it is our money that gave him the future ability to be able to revisit and change them. Do you think he'd be changing them without all of our monetary input into the LFL Monster? I say he can change them all he wants, just give us our copies to enjoy of the original. Give us the choice since we gave him the ability.
--Vizzini (Wallace Shawn), The Princess Bride
-------------------------
Kevin A
Webmaster/Primary Cynic
kapgar.typepad.com
kapgar.com
- Time
- Post link
Quote
Originally posted by: Bossk
Give us the choice since we gave him the ability.
Very well put. I fully agree, but also want to add that no matter what version you choose you should be able to get it on the best media, in the best quality available.
-Darth Simon
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin
0100111001101001011011100110101001100001
*touchy people disclaimer*
some or all of the above comments are partially exaggerated to convey a point, none of the comments are meant as personal attacks on anyone mentioned or reference in the above post
- Time
- Post link
sure its part of pop culture now that he shared it with the world... but ultimatly its his stuff... he doesnt have an obligation to make fans happy...
he doesnt owe you nothing...
- Time
- Post link
Meanwhile, Curly from the Three Stooges is in heaven: "Niac niac niac, I want them to add COLOR to my movies! Woo woo woo woo!"
- Time
- Post link
Quote
Originally posted by: SerVente
he invented Star Wars for god sake
sure its part of pop culture now that he shared it with the world... but ultimatly its his stuff... he doesnt have an obligation to make fans happy...
he doesnt owe you nothing...
yes he does, he owes his success to all those fans. You know all the ones that were made happy, thus making star wars successful, thus giving lucas the wealth/power he now has that is allowing him to make his changes.
-Darth Simon
*edit: looks like ric beat me to it
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin
0100111001101001011011100110101001100001
*touchy people disclaimer*
some or all of the above comments are partially exaggerated to convey a point, none of the comments are meant as personal attacks on anyone mentioned or reference in the above post
- Time
- Post link
- Time
- Post link
Quote
Originally posted by: SerVente
its not because you helped him that he will help you... live with it
yes i realize there are many self centered people out there that wont help you just cause you previously helped them.
but you said he doesnt owe us anything...and thats not true...he owes his success to his fans (well star wars fans would be more accurate since he seems to be trying to alienate his fans) without his fans he would never have gotten to where he is today
and besides dont you think most directors would want to preserve a ground breaking film that they made in its original unaltered form, if only for their own personal enjoyment.
He has the money, he has the resources, and there is demand. No reason not to clean up the original film and put it on dvd.
-Darth Simon
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin
0100111001101001011011100110101001100001
*touchy people disclaimer*
some or all of the above comments are partially exaggerated to convey a point, none of the comments are meant as personal attacks on anyone mentioned or reference in the above post
- Time
- Post link
sure you guys gave him money... and he shoud feel the obligation to paid you guys back...
but he doesnt... so what are you gonna do ?
ps:its like micheal jackson fans telling him to get his old nose back because they liked it better that way
- Time
- Post link
jk jk
I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.
- Time
- Post link
- Time
- Post link
SerVente may I ask where are you from, your username sounds slightly latin.
- Time
- Post link
and based on dictionary.com a monster is one who inspires horror or disgust... so yeah I belive it fits mr.lucas
- Time
- Post link
Quote
Originally posted by: SerVente
and based on dictionary.com a monster is one who inspires horror or disgust... so yeah I belive it fits mr.lucas
Very true. Sad, but true.
I do feel he owes us, but do I think he'll pay up? Not likely.
You can kind of equate it to some kind of random act of kindness. I stop and help someone who is choking and save their life and then they sue me for breaking a rib while giving them the Heimlich Maneuver. That's how I look at this situation.
If I could go back and change my fan status regarding SW, would I? Maybe a little. I'd never want to ruin my childhood by taking that away, but I don't think I would have gone to the theater for the SE releases of the OT and I wouldn't have purchased any of the new paraphernalia that has been released in stores since 1995. No toys, no books, etc.
Would any of you change how you spent money on SW related items (tickets to movies included) if you could knowing what you know now about how GL has become?
--Vizzini (Wallace Shawn), The Princess Bride
-------------------------
Kevin A
Webmaster/Primary Cynic
kapgar.typepad.com
kapgar.com
- Time
- Post link
SerVente: I know where Uruguay is, I'm from Brazil. It's nice to have another latin american SW fan here...
- Time
- Post link
What got me was the release of the SE on DVD, without an original version being available on DVD. As an archivist, I thought this was beyond disappointing. When I saw how much better a lot of the restored footage is on DVD vs on laserdisc (the detail is stunning) it made me even more sad.
It would have been so easy to also include the original scenes as they were, even just from a documentary perspective (This is the original scene, and this is how we changed it).
Now of course they are his films and he can do what he likes. But like it or not, they became part of a public conciousness and changed a lot of people's lives and burned themselves into a lot of peoples memories.
Just like a particular song becomes entwined with important moments in your life, so do some films. The difference is that all those songs got released and mostly remastered onto CD for you still to enjoy and tweak your memory etc. A lot of those old songs got remade, r covered by other artists, and are arguably better than the originals, and in some cases are probably closer to what the artist intended than what they released originally.
That doesn't change the fact though that you probably still love the original tune, with all its faults, because *that* version is what was playing when you fell in love, won the game, saw your child walk for the first time.
The star wars movies are the only case I can think of where the 'cover version' or 'improved' version is the only version available, and the original is not available on the same medium. It doesn't happen in music, in print or anything else I can think of.
The big tragedy is it wouldn't have cost a lot of extra time or effort to do, and would've been a nice reward to the hard core fan base that filled his pockets when he needed it most.
/begin rant/
But its our fault, we put up with it, and (sorry) lame online petitions aren't going to change anything.
Organising 2000 people to march for it in San Rafael at the outskirts of the ranch might change it: - if all 67,000 people on the online petition wrote a REAL PAPER LETTER each and posted it, *in the same month* - it might change things (one complaint letter = about 1,000 emails in the real world, they know you are serious when it is in writing and arrives in the mail en masse).
If we got 100 people to line up at each and every EPIII premiere with identical protest t-shirts on and then refuse to enter the cinema when they open the doors... who knows.... it would get media coverage, journalists would try to ask Gerogie boy about it, the message may even get through.....
But we are all too lethargic to take a *serious* amount of time out and take real action. So we complain to each other, make ourselves feel better and take action in the least likely to succeed ways, and just make our own versions.
*SIGH*
/end rant/
- Time
- Post link
Quote
Originally posted by: oojason
^ Translating it itself would have been difficult, and then translating it into differing languages through two different eras - say 100 years apart may well give you a different book, as well as any political or power games played by those involved.
Actually, I once read an article that mentioned that the Bible is one of the most accurately translated books in the world--practically every translation is 99.5% accurate, and they all get the same points, morals, and stories across.
Granted, I don't know Greek or Hebrew, so I can't verify this myself.
- Time
- Post link
Quote
Originally posted by: SerVente
he invented Star Wars for god sake
sure its part of pop culture now that he shared it with the world... but ultimatly its his stuff... he doesnt have an obligation to make fans happy...
he doesnt owe you nothing...
I'm sorry, but no. There is a lot more to this than just "pop culture."
The problem with "they're his movies, so he can do what he wants" is that it implies that WE are under an obligation to accept his product. I'm sorry, but no... I'm tried for cash at practically every period of my life. Saying that I should fork over fifty bucks for a version of Star Wars I don't want, is like telling a vegetarian that they have to either eat meat or starve.
The farmer is the one that grows the tomatoes. Does that mean he's perfectly within his right to sell rotten tomatoes? Does that mean that we should fork over the asking price for his tomatoes even though we KNOW they're rotten?
It's his movies, yea... but it's MY cash, so I can do what I want with it. Call me a selfish prick if you want, but when you have to bust your ass off every day just trying to make a meager $500 a month (or so), you're entitled to a little bit of pickyness. I'm also not inclined to let other people think they can control me, and particularly think they can control what I am and am not allowed to purchase with my hard-earned money.
Wow, so Lucas only wants to put out his own personal version of Star Wars on DVD. So I have to fork over the fifty, right?
Hell with it, there are better things than Star Wars.