I’ve got a question regarding the ROTJ-Grindhouse: Why exactly is it the best option to leave missing frames black, instead of just holding the previous frame? I’m pretty sure a little stutter would be less distracting than a blackout…
I’d be more into that design if the spine had a more standard Star Wars logo/font.
I’ve got a question regarding the ROTJ-Grindhouse: Why exactly is it the best option to leave missing frames black, instead of just holding the previous frame? I’m pretty sure a little stutter would be less distracting than a blackout…
I agree with that. If it’s only a couple frames, I’m actually a fan of slowing down a few of the adjacent frames and frameblending, but I realize that’s controversial (you end up with fewer total pure frames, but it views better).
Polygon picked up on the release of 2.5:
http://www.polygon.com/2016/2/8/10938060/star-wars-disney-return-of-the-jedi-harmy
I’m reading this article and my brain hears it being read in Harmy’s voice.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Harmy said:
Also, my master-file for the 1080p release would be somewhere around 300-400GB with my current AVI masters but since I’m planning to move to image sequences for master for v3.0, the master will probably be more like 1TB.
So I’m not likely to release that and anything else would already be a re-encode
I didn’t mean the RAW source, just similar to what TN1 is doing, using Chouonsoku’s x264 settings and releasing a verge large MKV that other encoders could use as a source. That way someone could make a BD50 with it, a small 480p encode, or anything in between
Anyone have plans to put together an NTSC DVD-5 version in the near future? I gave a couple partial DE sets as Christmas gifts and I’m hoping to provide the recipients with their final discs now that this is out. If this isn’t on anyone’s radar I can fool around with it myself over the weekend, but I don’t want to do anything redundant. I also suspect that those of you who know more about encoding than I do are capable of producing a much nicer product.
Anyone have plans to put together an NTSC DVD-5 version in the near future? I gave a couple partial DE sets as Christmas gifts and I’m hoping to provide the recipients with their final discs now that this is out. If this isn’t on anyone’s radar I can fool around with it myself over the weekend, but I don’t want to do anything redundant. I also suspect that those of you who know more about encoding than I do are capable of producing a much nicer product.
Not to belittle anyone, but who uses standard DVD players anymore? One can purchase a nice, Sony Bluray player from Best Buy for 50 bucks.
If it was a question of not having a Bluray burner then I would assume AVCHDs on DVD9s would solve that.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Not to belittle anyone, but who uses standard DVD players anymore?
Pretty much everyone I know who doesn’t play video games. Some of these people still have tube TVs. It just isn’t a priority for a lot of folks. and I’m not about to hand someone a stack of blu-rays and tell them that players are semi-cheap at Best Buy.
Harmy said:
Also, my master-file for the 1080p release would be somewhere around 300-400GB with my current AVI masters but since I’m planning to move to image sequences for master for v3.0, the master will probably be more like 1TB.
So I’m not likely to release that and anything else would already be a re-encodeI didn’t mean the RAW source, just similar to what TN1 is doing, using Chouonsoku’s x264 settings and releasing a verge large MKV that other encoders could use as a source. That way someone could make a BD50 with it, a small 480p encode, or anything in between
I think what was discussed in TN1’s thread as ideal (whether or not they actually do it), was releasing both:
No one wants the primary BD compatible format to be a ‘third party’ re-encode, even from a high bitrate file. Might as well get it right the first time for something that’s going to be sitting on people’s shelves as their go-to copy. And as Harmy said:
If your 2.35:1 TV doesn’t have a function to zoom in letterboxed video, so that it fits exactly I’d be very surprised, because that would be incredibly stupid, since all 2.35:1 Blu-Rays are released with black bars, and even all streamed media on iTunes, Netflix and Ultraflix and such have them AFAIK, so without this function there would be zero point to such a TV from the legally purchased media point of view.
I just don’t see the point of the cropped version.
Which commentary track would people recommend for ROTJ? I’ve just realised that I have never viewed a movie with the commentary track on, and since I’m about to watch a film I’ve seen many times before I thought now would be a good time to start!
Which of the three is best?
towne32 said:
I think what was discussed in TN1’s thread as ideal (whether or not they actually do it), was releasing both:
- 50GB DL version
- 25GB cropped version.
No one wants the primary BD compatible format to be a ‘third party’ re-encode, even from a high bitrate file. Might as well get it right the first time for something that’s going to be sitting on people’s shelves as their go-to copy.
Agreed, I would much prefer a BD50 from Harmy than some random person upscaling in on MySpleen
towne32 said:
I just don’t see the point of the cropped version.
This is for PC, not a TV. I use MPC-HC with madVR/NNEDI3 for most video playback, I’m not aware that I can remove the black bars. The only point of black bars is to meet the Blu-ray spec, there’s no point in keeping them in otherwise, and you can end up with encoding anomalies around the borders of them. Most proper digital releases will remove them, eg all iTunes movies are anamorphic (I’m not still going on about removing them, just providing points that you can’t see)
That being said, I’d much rather have a BD50 than an anamorphic MKV. It would serve far more people than just the niche Ultrawide crowd
EGOvoruhk said:
That being said, I’d much rather have a BD50 than an anamorphic MKV. It would serve far more people than just the niche Ultrawide crowd
Ah, okay. Is VLC something you’d rather not resort to using? I’m not really familiar with MPC, but VLC’s cropping has worked well for me when watching non-anamorphic widescreen DVDs/LDrips on a 16:9 display.
My roommate’s birthday was yesterday, can you get V2.5 of Jedi done by then so I can make her dvds of the trilogy?
The Person in Question
Harmy’s always tried to make his encodes Blu-ray compliant in the past. I suspect the creation on non-compliant streams will be left to the re-encoders out there.
Then how about a request for a proper full sized Blu-ray image, or a “master” sized MKV, like TN1 is planning? That way encoders could encode from a proper source, rather than a re-encode. I don’t mind encoding it myself, but an encode of an encode is never good
If your 2.35:1 TV doesn’t have a function to zoom in letterboxed video, so that it fits exactly I’d be very surprised, because that would be incredibly stupid, since all 2.35:1 Blu-Rays are released with black bars, and even all streamed media on iTunes, Netflix and Ultraflix and such have them AFAIK, so without this function there would be zero point to such a TV from the legally purchased media point of view.
Also, my master-file for the 1080p release would be somewhere around 300-400GB with my current AVI masters but since I’m planning to move to image sequences for master for v3.0, the master will probably be more like 1TB.
So I’m not likely to release that and anything else would already be a re-encode
Actually, believe it or not, iTunes 2.35 movies have no black bars.
I totally agree with Harmy and towne32. If Harmy had decided to crop the picture, he surely would have tried other stuff like seamless branching too but compatibility is far more important than such experiments.
man i was listening to it with the BD commentary track while cleaning the house, and i got to vader picking up the emperor and him yelling “NOO!!” and i was like “WAIT WHAT???” and it took me a second to realize obviously i’m just hearing the background audio from the blu ray. threw me off for a second like “how did he miss that??”
Ah, okay. Is VLC something you’d rather not resort to using? I’m not really familiar with MPC, but VLC’s cropping has worked well for me when watching non-anamorphic widescreen DVDs/LDrips on a 16:9 display.
MPC-HC paired with MadVR/NNEDI3 is great (but very CPU intensive) if you’re upscaling content (eg. playing a 720p movie on a 1080p screen, playing a 1080p movie on a 4K ultrawide screen). I would recommend looking into it for playing your sub-1080p anamorphic content
VLC is fine, but not really ideal for regular movie playback. It’s not that I wouldn’t resort to using it, it’s always handy in fringe cases like this, I was just suggesting alternatives for people in a similar situation, but through discussion, I think a proper BD image would be much more useful than what I originally suggested
You guys are misusing the word anamorphic - anamorphic 1080p would be 1440x1080 (with black bars in case of 2.35:1 movies), which would then be stretched to 16:9 for viewing.
And using computer for movie playback has the advantage that unlike in a BD player, you can do whatever you want with the image during playback and MPC-HC is one of the best programs for it - youc can zoom it in or out in small increments [num1] [num9], stretch/unstretch the aspect ratio in small increments[num4],[num6],[num8],[num2] shift the image up or down [ctrl]+[num8],[ctrl]+[num2] and left or right [ctrl]+[num4],[ctrl]+[num6].
And in MPC, it’s the easiest thing in the world to get rid of the black bars on a movie like this - just right click the image > video frame > touch to the windows from outside and it will zoom in so as to snap the sides of the video to the left and right edges of the window or the screen in fullscreen mode.
I use MPC-HC with MadVR too but I use Lanczos 4 taps with anti-ringing filter and debanding. Is NNEDI3 a lot better?
EGOvoruhk said:
This is for PC, not a TV. I use MPC-HC with madVR/NNEDI3 for most video playback, I’m not aware that I can remove the black bars.
MPC-HC can be used to easily crop/scale to remove the letterboxing. There are two ways of doing it, you will have to decide what is best as I don’t have an ultrawide to test. In the context menu > video frame > touch window from outside. Or alternatively context menu > Pan&Scan > Zoom to UltraWidesreen. As far as I can tell the first option should be better?
EDIT: it seems you might have to Zoom to Widescreen rather than to UltraWidescreen
THANK YOUUU for all your amazing hard work, No pink faces, bright colours, sharp picture!!
I know this should be in the Quality Control thread but please, what happened to 1:39:39-1:39:41! it looks very dark and murky compared to the Bluray; the Falcon sweeping past the blockade runner is my favourite shot.
Despecialized Edition happened 😉
I’ve got a question regarding the ROTJ-Grindhouse: Why exactly is it the best option to leave missing frames black, instead of just holding the previous frame? I’m pretty sure a little stutter would be less distracting than a blackout…
I agree with that. If it’s only a couple frames, I’m actually a fan of slowing down a few of the adjacent frames and frameblending, but I realize that’s controversial (you end up with fewer total pure frames, but it views better).
It’s not only a couple of frames, so holding over previous frames would introduce the image freezing very noticeably. And interpolating frames could work for low motion shots but the point of a Grindhouse release is that it’s pure with no alterations - And when working on a cleaned version, rather than introducing an alteration like that, it would proabably be purer to just replace the shots with the BD, if they were not altered.
I’ve got a question regarding the ROTJ-Grindhouse: Why exactly is it the best option to leave missing frames black, instead of just holding the previous frame? I’m pretty sure a little stutter would be less distracting than a blackout…
I agree with that. If it’s only a couple frames, I’m actually a fan of slowing down a few of the adjacent frames and frameblending, but I realize that’s controversial (you end up with fewer total pure frames, but it views better).
It’s not only a couple of frames, so holding over previous frames would introduce the image freezing very noticeably. And interpolating frames could work for low motion shots but the point of a Grindhouse release is that it’s pure with no alterations - And when working on a cleaned version, rather than introducing an alteration like that, it would proabably be purer to just replace the shots with the BD, if they were not altered.
I mean, I think the ideal for viewing purposes in some cases is to alter the audio. But, as we were reminded from TN1’s last release, this community is large and international/interlingual, so there are big benefits to having GOUT sync. And, especially for a grindhouse release, some visual imperfections like black frames aren’t the end of the world.
Despecialized Edition happened 😉
Ahahaa, forgive me, this is one dope release
And yes, anamorphic doesn’t just mean “no black bars” it is about stretching a condensed image to the proper aspect. In film certain lenses take what would otherwise be a taller than intended image and stretches them to be wider, as intended. In the world of DVD they altered the meaning a little to be that an image taking up 720x480 would stretch to fit a 16x9 screen and look proper, basically giving more real estate to take advantage of in the same image spec.