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Flaws, plotholes, and "could-have-been-done-betters" in the OT (alternate plot points especially welcome) — Page 7

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TV's Frink said

Sometimes I think people give me way too much credit, but then the moment passes.

I have never made any image or video editing so I assume all you work in the Ridiculousness series is hard.  And making somewhat visually realistic or convincing meteorite impacts I supose is even harder.

But maybe you could grab one of the meteorites from the asteroid field scenes and put cheap explosions or smoke effects and do some quick and smart editing, if people like this idea.

Unless you're speaking about a different topic.

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Adding moving visual elements to a scene is trickier than just reediting and fiddling with the dialogue.

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I guess :(

Oh well, the final product will be awesome anyway.

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Now, for a needless BUMP …

Blasters and ships in SW should have fired energy beams, not bolts. The bolts have always looked unimpressive to me.

I’m not a fan of the big space battle in ROTJ. With this movie, Rebellion capital ships are finally introduced to the series, and do we ever get to see them clearly duke it out with the star destroyers one-on-one? No. Emphasis is once again placed on the goddamn fighter dogfights while the Mon Calamari ships and star destroyers just meander about in the background most of the time. Hell, the Executor – a massive, kilometres-long behemoth – is taken out by a few tiny A-Wing gnats blowing out its shields and crashing into its bridge. What a ripoff!

tl;dr: Energy weapons and space battles were always more impressive in Star Trek than in Star Wars (the lame designs of the TNG+ hand phasers not withstanding).

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Rewrite Ham and Leia’s romantic arc in Empire. Like, not a single line of their mutual dialogue in the first half of the movie should be the same. As it currently stands, Han is a passive-aggressive creep who doesn’t hesitate to antagonize or humiliate her in front of the troops she commands. He makes lewd comments to her on the Falcon and basically corners her in the service compartment for their famous kiss. His behaviour isn’t something someone should just come around to. It’s just gross.

It’s weird but Ford played three characters like this three years in a row–coercive, aggressive Han in Empire, statutory rapist Indiana Jones in Raiders and straight-up rapist Deckard in Blade Runner. I’m not saying it’s indicative of Ford as a person, just of the writing of the time.

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DavidMerrick said:
straight-up rapist Deckard in Blade Runner

To be fair it was a Replicant…

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As for the rest of your post I’m sure Han’s aggressiveness is due to 3 years of sexual tension.

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DavidMerrick said:

Rewrite Ham and Leia’s romantic arc in Empire. Like, not a single line of their mutual dialogue in the first half of the movie should be the same. As it currently stands, Han is a passive-aggressive creep who doesn’t hesitate to antagonize or humiliate her in front of the troops she commands. He makes lewd comments to her on the Falcon and basically corners her in the service compartment for their famous kiss. His behaviour isn’t something someone should just come around to. It’s just gross.

It’s weird but Ford played three characters like this three years in a row–coercive, aggressive Han in Empire, statutory rapist Indiana Jones in Raiders and straight-up rapist Deckard in Blade Runner. I’m not saying it’s indicative of Ford as a person, just of the writing of the time.

There is a Rhett Butler/Scarlett O’Hara angle to Han and Leia’s relationship. Even the ESB poster invokes Gone With The Wind.

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Oh I’ve known that for years. Doesn’t make his “courtship” any less creepy.

@Lord Haseo: maybe you’re making a–bad–joke but I don’t think you got the point of Blade Runner.

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DavidMerrick said:

Oh I’ve known that for years. Doesn’t make his “courtship” any less creepy.

@Lord Haseo: maybe you’re making a–bad–joke but I don’t think you got the point of Blade Runner.

No, I’m speaking with all sincerity. In general I would see non robots/androids to be objects.

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…wow you really didn’t get the point of that movie, did you.

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I’m not talking about the point of the movie.

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DavidMerrick said:

Rewrite Ham and Leia’s romantic arc in Empire.

Wait – Leia was romantically involved with a Biblical character in TESB? When did this happen?

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One more flaw I find in the OT: that they went with this

instead of this


Whereas the latter looks sleek and intimidating – a sexed-up version of the AT-AT, if you will – the former looks like a hydrocephalic chicken with a missing beak.

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The ESB model of the AT-ST had rather better proportions than the ROTJ version, I think:

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”

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In Blade Runner it’s deliberately ambiguous if there is something of a rape nature going on. Rachel is saying no based on experiences that aren’t hers, her facility to say no under those circumstances is the point of the scene. So is he abusing her or liberating her and yes we are meant to feel uncomfortable contemplating either possibility. It’s nuanced and adult and trillion light years away from Prometheus.
Indy’s under-aged sex subplot thankfully is largely removed from the final film.
That leaves the typical “I’m not interested in you” (lie) love story trope in ESB. It might be a bit wobbly but compared to creepy sex looks Anakin or anything to do with sand it’s William Shakespeare innit?

Thank heavens for Witness.

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ATMachine said:

The ESB model of the AT-ST had rather better proportions than the ROTJ version, I think:

Maybe they realized that they had to build the whole thing for Jedi and that humans needed to fit in it, so they went for a more space efficient design.

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The Empire went with the low bidder again. 😉

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Why does Jabba the Hutt resist Luke’s mind trick in Return of the Jedi? Jabba the Hutt was a weak-minded ogre. He should have fallen for the mind trick.

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Didn’t we have this question in another thread before?
Short answer: to make the escape more interesting.
Long answer: he’s the leader of a criminal organization, that’s hardly something you can do when you’re weak-minded like the stormtroopers who were indoctrinated to follow orders.

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Frank your Majesty said:

Didn’t we have this question in another thread before?

We did. Apparently it wasn’t enough to post it in his own silly thread, he had to infect another one with it as well.

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It’s the attack of the clone posts.

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”

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In ROTJ Vader should have showed up on Dagobah and killed Yoda.

Off screen of course. YODA Should just go to sleep when he is talking to Luke.

There now that makes you hate Vader again rather than sissy Vader.

He wants to rule the Galaxy and nobody shall oppose him. 😃

Somone really need to die on the good side to make you feel like they were really struggling against the tyranny. But yeah the Yoda thing is a bit of a joke…