All of these JarJar scenes I left in. The only JarJar I cut was a few lines here and there, particularly the “This sun is doing murder on meesa skin” line which always irritated me. JarJar+Sebulba scene is still in (with a slight trim), droid nose joke is still in exactly as Hal has it, and the scene with Padme early on is still in. I agree with Hal that these scenes are important to the story, even if the character of JarJar never leaves a good impression.
Hey Hal, I just completed an edit for my own personal viewing that mixes and matches changes from your and L8wrtr’s edit (with a little bit from the Phantom Editor as well). I used your edit as the primary video source and spliced in bits from L8wrtr’s edit where needed (with a little grain and color correction to match it). Would you be opposed to me uploading this to Myspleen or elsewhere? With proper credit given of course.
Hey,
wanted to ask you, since its completed, is it up anywhere ? Would like to see your version as well, so to make the finale call for Ep1 go to movie for me.
It will be up on Myspleen soon. I just need to tweak a few things and assemble a cutlist. I will move the discussion into my own thread when that happens since I don’t want to clog up Hal’s.
Not a problem. I really don’t remember if I said this before, but please be mindful to avoid confusion if you keep the opening crawl of either edit, including its title.
Not a problem. I really don’t remember if I said this before, but please be mindful to avoid confusion if you keep the opening crawl of either edit, including its title.
I’d like to model the crawl on yours, but I don’t won’t to keep the title, specifically for that reason. I’m going to try to create a custom crawl. For credits Ill likely splice in the blu-ray credits and not include any fan edit credits, but credit all the fan editors who’s work I cribbed from on the forum threads and in the download location.
Not a problem. I really don’t remember if I said this before, but please be mindful to avoid confusion if you keep the opening crawl of either edit, including its title.
I’d like to model the crawl on yours, but I don’t won’t to keep the title, specifically for that reason. I’m going to try to create a custom crawl. For credits Ill likely splice in the blu-ray credits and not include any fan edit credits, but credit all the fan editors who’s work I cribbed from on the forum threads and in the download location.
Or else, you can indeed use the original movie version of the credits, and just add a black pannel where is written in white letters who has contributed to the edit (at the beginning of the file, after the “this is a fan edit of… not for sell… etc.”). As for the title, every good title is used by fan edits, so it would be difficult to find a new one. So, just call it “The Phantom Menace” !
I can whip up a custom crawl for you if you’d like.
I can whip up a custom crawl for you if you’d like.
Really? That would be great!
I’ve decided I want to keep the original title of the film, and just make some minor alterations to your crawl accordingly, so it would be:
Episode I
THE PHANTOM MENACE
For a thousand years the
knights of the Jedi Order have
protected the Galactic Republic
Now, after a millennia of peace, sinister
forces conspire in the shadows of
the galaxy.
And then the rest can be identical to yours. I’ve elected to go for years instead of generations because I’d like to preserve the canon separation between the Old Republic and the Galactic Republic, since I’d generally like for this to be compatible with new canon material.
Octorox said:
For a thousand years the
knights of the Jedi Order have
protected the Galactic Republic
Now, after a millennia of peace, sinister
forces conspire in the shadows of
the galaxy.
If I may: you could kinda link the prelogy with the postlogy by using “awaken” instead of “conspire” (or even “Dark forces” instead of “sinister forces” if you’re a gamer 😃).
Octorox said:
For a thousand years the
knights of the Jedi Order have
protected the Galactic Republic
Now, after a millennia of peace, sinister
forces conspire in the shadows of
the galaxy.If I may: is it “thousand of years” or “of generations” ? Lucas got himself mixed up in the process, so I wonder what’s the offical canon for this time era. By the way you could kinda link the prelogy with the postlogy by using “awaken” instead of “conspire” (or even “Dark forces” instead of “sinister forces” if you’re a gamer 😃).
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
I edited my previous reply when I saw that Octorox explained his point of view on the question. “Generations” is from Obi-Wan speech, “years” is from Palpatine (in Episode II, I think). Still I’m not sure which one is canon.
Maybe people only live for like a year in the star wars universe. So like 1 year=1 generation. But then that makes the whole saga take place over like maybe a year and a half? For that matter, how do you even measure a year in the Star Wars universe? Is it relative to one planet’s orbit? Which planet? Coruscant? Does the galaxy orbit around another galaxy or something? Is that the galaxy we saw in the distance at the end of Empire? I’m so confused.
Well, one Star Wars year is one Earth year. The universal tardis translator allows us to understand the movies with our cultural references…
This is the canon hand-wave explanation:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Old_Republic
The Galactic Republic in its current form existed for 1000 years but there was an older Republic that existed for many years before that. The Jedi preceded the Galactic Republic and protected the Old Republic as well. The birth of the Galactic Repblic seems to coincide closely with the relative disappearance of the Sith.
EDIT: I think this sounds good
Episode I
THE PHANTOM MENACE
For almost a thousand years the
knights of the Jedi Order have
protected the Galactic Republic
Now, after a millennia of peace,
dark forces conspire in the shadows
of the galaxy.
Attempting the seize the
Abundant resources of the
Planet Naboo, the nefarious
TRADE FEDERATION has
surrounded the planet with a
blockade of deadly warships.
With the newly crowned Queen
desperate for help, the Supreme
Chancellor has secretly
dispatched two Jedi Knights to
settle the conflict.
I would like to add something that mentions that the Chancellor is sort of in a tenuous place and is fearing the crisis blowing up could be the final straw that ends his political career, but there’s only so much space.
EDIT: Thanks for the offer Hal, but I think I’m going to create the crawl myself. I’m going to use the Star Wars TSG program for Mac.
Octorox said:
I would like to add something that mentions that the Chancellor is sort of in a tenuous place and is fearing the crisis blowing up could be the final straw that ends his political career, but there’s only so much space.
The rolling scrawl doesn’t need to contain too much information, just the pieces to set the plot in motion are needed. Moreoever your statement about Valorum is not really true since his position is not in real jeopardy until Amidala shows up and calls for a vote of confidence against him (he’s not that a bad Chancellor, he has even sent Jedi knights to settle things right). You should stick to Hal’s version for this paragraph I reckon (imho, of course !).
(by the way, maybe you should start your own thread, “Octorox Redux Prelogy” ?)
What are the differences between v3 and v4?
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
What are the differences between v3 and v4?
*Thanks to hunsdorfex, the flipped shot where a battle droid nods toward the protocol droid now has a yellow battle droid. It’s the little things.
The “short negotiations” joke has been reinstated. Two reasons for this, one being that COD inadvertently removed Obi-Wan’s sense of humor. This was one short moment to give him a human touch, which is missing from him most of the time. (I also reinstated his remark about picking up “another pathetic life form” for the same reason.) Also, the opening act is rather fast paced in my cut, so this offered a beat to pause on before jumping back into the plot.
After having the chance to watch V3 with some friends, I kept silent note of little things that seemed slightly jarring to me as someone who has the film memorized. Tiny things like, “They’re no match for droidekas!” have been put back in at certain points, if it felt wrong for them to be missing.
Fixed the bad match cut that I used to trim Anakin’s line as he walks Qui-Gon and company to his home.
Put back more of the dinner scene, where they mention podracing and Anakin’s reflexes.
Used schorman13’s preservation for the scene where Darth Maul lands on Tatooine at night, to buffer the transition to the SD “morning before the race” deleted scene.
The battle planning scene on Naboo is edited pretty much exactly like The Phantom Edit. Much less verbose, and leaves some room to be mildly curious about how this battle is going to turn out.*
I forget, did you manage to use Dre’s SD upscales for V4 of Cloak?
I absolutely did, and they are incredible. He’s been very patient and longsuffering with working out some kinks for the Ep2 upscales. (Episode 3’s look the best of all!)
I’ll compile one when I put it up. But to sum it up I’d say that the basic flow is Hal’s with a lot of extra dialogue nips and tucks from L8wrtrs. Use of JarJar is kind of at a happy medium between the two edits but I agree with Hal’s general philosophy that if he’s present throughout the majority of the movie he should at least have something to do. I’ve removed the “morning of the race” deleted scene and readded the cut-down version of the “working on the pod” scene from l8wrtr’s edit. In fact, the only deleted scene in this version is the scene of Qui-Gon cutting down the probe droid. I’ve also removed the visual of the podrace announcers Fode and Beed, but you still hear both of their voices, which is another compromise between the two edits. I would say that’s the general philosophy of this hybrid. I think l8wrtr is sometimes a little overzealous with his cuts to the point where it can hurt the pacing of the film and character development, but on the other hand Hal’s is too conservative for my tastes and leaves a lot of cringey dialogue, despite some brilliant ideas like cutting the trip to Otoh Gunga completely. This is just an attempt to find a happy medium between the two that suits my personal tastes.
so what’s your ideal edit of the phantom menace? me it would be maybe be all of what you mention but with midicholreans and the chosen one stuff left in but that’s just me.
I’ll compile one when I put it up. But to sum it up I’d say that the basic flow is Hal’s with a lot of extra dialogue nips and tucks from L8wrtrs. Use of JarJar is kind of at a happy medium between the two edits but I agree with Hal’s general philosophy that if he’s present throughout the majority of the movie he should at least have something to do. I’ve removed the “morning of the race” deleted scene and readded the cut-down version of the “working on the pod” scene from l8wrtr’s edit. In fact, the only deleted scene in this version is the scene of Qui-Gon cutting down the probe droid. I’ve also removed the visual of the podrace announcers Fode and Beed, but you still hear both of their voices, which is another compromise between the two edits. I would say that’s the general philosophy of this hybrid. I think l8wrtr is sometimes a little overzealous with his cuts to the point where it can hurt the pacing of the film and character development, but on the other hand Hal’s is too conservative for my tastes and leaves a lot of cringey dialogue, despite some brilliant ideas like cutting the trip to Otoh Gunga completely. This is just an attempt to find a happy medium between the two that suits my personal tastes.
so what’s your ideal edit of the phantom menace? me it would be maybe be all of what you mention but with midicholreans and the chosen one stuff left in but that’s just me.
Midichlorians will not be in my edit. However, I am leaving in the virgin birth and chosen one stuff as both Hal and L8wrtr did. I personally like the implication that Plageuis or Sidious were Anakin’s “father” and the chosen one stuff ties into some Clone Wars plotlines.
I’ll compile one when I put it up. But to sum it up I’d say that the basic flow is Hal’s with a lot of extra dialogue nips and tucks from L8wrtrs. Use of JarJar is kind of at a happy medium between the two edits but I agree with Hal’s general philosophy that if he’s present throughout the majority of the movie he should at least have something to do. I’ve removed the “morning of the race” deleted scene and readded the cut-down version of the “working on the pod” scene from l8wrtr’s edit. In fact, the only deleted scene in this version is the scene of Qui-Gon cutting down the probe droid. I’ve also removed the visual of the podrace announcers Fode and Beed, but you still hear both of their voices, which is another compromise between the two edits. I would say that’s the general philosophy of this hybrid. I think l8wrtr is sometimes a little overzealous with his cuts to the point where it can hurt the pacing of the film and character development, but on the other hand Hal’s is too conservative for my tastes and leaves a lot of cringey dialogue, despite some brilliant ideas like cutting the trip to Otoh Gunga completely. This is just an attempt to find a happy medium between the two that suits my personal tastes.
so what’s your ideal edit of the phantom menace? me it would be maybe be all of what you mention but with midicholreans and the chosen one stuff left in but that’s just me.
Midichlorians will not be in my edit. However, I am leaving in the virgin birth and chosen one stuff as both Hal and L8wrtr did. I personally like the implication that Plageuis or Sidious were Anakin’s “father” and the chosen one stuff ties into some Clone Wars plotlines.
but Midichlorians makes sense anakin/vader luke and leia prove it to be fact i don’t get the Midichlorians hate
We all know.
jedimasterobiwan said:
i don’t get the Midichlorians hate
Because Star Wars is fantasy in space, not science fiction. The Force is mystical, magical, and the basis for a profound faith. Giving scientific reasoning for Force-sensitivity kills the wonder and imagination of the Force. Not to mention they’re only (badly renamed) mitochondria, taking Second Place in the Stupid Name category behind the term “younglings”.
In short, it’s bad storytelling for this genre. GL is a good ideas man but a bad writer.
ALSO: Octorox, you should make your own thread for your proposed edit rather than filling Hal’s up with it.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Yes, please if the discussion is to continue, make it in a new thread.