Oh and I never said Ren just lost power for no reason, go reread what I said as I am sick of typing out the same thing one billion times in a row, so I will say it just once more.
And I never said he lost his power for no reason, I know you meant he was getting tired. I was just pointing out that Ren’s defeat can be seen from different point of views.
Also again if you have problem with this, Vader comes out and credits Luke’s use of the force with making it hard for him to lock onto and destroy Luke’s fighter in the first movie and Vader is a much more experienced combat pilot(Someone being a good pilot with civilian air craft does not make them a great combat pilot. That is why we can’t just take 747 pilots and put then in fighter aircraft without any training.)and has used the force a lot longer and he used it to kill Jedi back in the day, so why don’t you have a problem with the first movie?
If you just go by the movie with out any of the sequels, prequels, or behind the scenes info Luke being to out fly Vader and not get instantly killed like everyone else makes no sense by the same logic that you apply to the Ren/Rey fight.Actually, Vader just says that the Force is strong with Luke, not that his power is making it hard for him to lock onto Luke’s fighter. The only reason he can’t kill him in the end, is because Han saves him at the last time and they weren’t able to actually defeat Vader either, so what’s the deal with it?
Nevermind Rey’s ridiculous ability to use the Force like a fully trained Jedi, her sudden abilty to defeat Ren makes less if no sense, unless it was just Ren being too tired to fight, as you said. I don’t think that’s the case, as it’s pretty obvious they were going for the “letting the Force in” (which, as I said, wasn’t explained nor questioned), but anyway, I agree to disagree.
He says the Force is strong with this one after he has had trouble hitting anything besides a droid and while the image on screen is of Luke’s fight jerking around in such a way that he can’t lock on to him and Luke lasts much longer then any of the other pilots who were trained for combat do against Vader and he hits a target not even the computer can lock on to. The only reason he is there for Han to save is because he out flies a pilot who has been flying since before he was born and has been using the force much longer then he has. In the context of the movie it makes no more sense then Rey defeating Ren in the latest movie, and yet the people who attack Rey for being a Marry Sue are fine with Luke.
What is more Rey is now attacked for not needing be saved by a man and not acting like a Disney princess and that is bold faced sexism since I don’t remember Han being attack for not needing a woman to save him or not wanting more and what is more the charge isn’t even true. Rey escaped on her own but she couldn’t get off of the planet on her own and what is more she did want more and she ran away from helping people who were in danger so she could go after the family that she knew wasn’t coming back.
So yeah I am done. The charge isn’t true and even if it was it is blatantly sexist in nature and I am not one of those people who looks for sexism in things. I normally don’t care and I will defend productions from the 30s and 40s at times against that charge but in this case it just seems odd that such a good character that so many people have connected with is being attacked for reasons of gender in the year 2016. I mean I went in expecting to hate her because I was expecting her to be one of those bratty marry sue characters that really grates on my nerves, but that wasn’t what she was and by the twenty or so minute mark of this film I remember that I stopped caring if any of the old characters were going to turn up, because I was so interested in her story. In fact I remember being a little sad when Han and Chewie turned up because I knew they were going to take some of the focus off of her and Finn.
Maybe you should just consider the possibility that with some many people liking this character, it isn’t the character who is badly written, it’s just that these new films don’t appeal to you so you have zeroed in on the character as the reason. There is nothing wrong with just having personal tastes that something well written doesn’t appeal to. For instance I have never been able to get into Breaking Bad, Mad Men, or Game of Thrones. Those three shows are pretty much universally praised as some of the best written and acted shows of all time, but they just don’t appeal to me so I don’t watch them but I don’t try to tell people who do watch them that they are badly written, because it is clear a lot of people have found that to not be the case and it is more likely they just don’t appeal to my personal taste, so why would I spend time arguing over something I am never going to enjoy.
I would advise you to cut your losses with the new series and just go back to watching what you like and stop trying to convince people to hate something they enjoy. The new movies aren’t for you, that is fine, you don’t have to keep going out of your way to defend that simple fact just like I don’t have to go out of my way to defend my taste in movies. After all it’s just a film, we should really just relax.
So yeah I am done defending this movie, it is clear the people who hate Rey and this movie are not going to have their minds changed any more then the people who love her and this movie are going to have their’s changed. So I am done for good now.
See ya.