Yeah same here, sorry to say I am done for now.
Oh and I say she was using the dark side or at least in danger of falling to the dark side because in the OT when Luke struck at Vader in anger it pleased Palpatine because it put him well on the path to the dark side and Yoda ever said “A Jedi uses the force for Knowledge and defense, never attack” and Rey was clearly mad and attacking, at least as mad as Luke was in Jedi and since this movie does share a writer with Empire and Jedi I assume it is playing by the same rules that were put forward in those movies. I admit I could be wrong about this but a few people I have talked to came to the same conclusion I did without my telling them my idea after they saw the movie for the first time, so I am sticking with this idea until I am told it is wrong by another movie. That is all.
^ yes mate, the bit in the fight with Ren after she let the Force in when backed up on the cliff and she goes on the attack… after she hits him low down and then with a thrust to his shoulder - there is a grimace on her face and style/stance which reminded me of Anakin’s fighting style in ROTS (very confident, attacking style - and to a point, similar to Darth Maul’s) - she has the sabre behind her back ready for a chopping motion… and then they go onto clash and she kicks him to the floor.
Of course I’d have to go watch the Prequels again to verify it (my dodgy old memory - I could well be wrong) - and I really don’t want to have to watch those Prequels again 😉
Well I wasn’t thinking of the prequels but that is a good point. I was basing it just on how much she looked like Luke when he was bashing away at Vader in Return of the Jedi, and after that he had to throw his lightsaber away to keep from turning to the dark side so it seems to me that striking in anger for any reason leads to the dark side in the Star Wars universe.
Oh and I never said Ren just lost power for no reason, go reread what I said as I am sick of typing out the same thing one billion times in a row, so I will say it just once more.
The human body is not a magic machine, there are certain condition where the body just can’t go on any more. Fighting with any kind of sword is very intense and attacking wears you out a lot fast then being on the defense. I said he seemed to be getting tired, not that he lost all powers, look no matter how good you are, if you push your body too far you are going to start making mistakes and your body is going to start giving out. I say this as someone who has down lots of heavy work out doors and has even done some out doors in the middle of a blizzard. The fact is that after only a few minutes outside and doing heavy work, if it is as cold as it looked in that scene you are going to need to take a breather and try to warm yourself up because the blood doesn’t want to flow to your limbs, it wants to stay out your core and keep your vital organs warm. Now Ren is wounded as well so that plays a factor. So this is where Rey being on the defense helps her out, she is using less energy and thus isn’t quite as tired as Ren by that point in the fight, he also thinks she is going to join him, so his guard is not up the way it should be. So he is getting tired and his body just wants him to sit down and get warm. Now Rey isn’t as tired, notice I didn’t say anywhere in here that she isn’t getting tired as well and I didn’t say Ren lost all his powers. I will spell it out in small all caps words.
REN WAS GETTING TIRED AND CAUGHT OFF GUARD FOR ALL OF ABOUT TEN TO FIFTEEN SECONDS BUT THAT WAS LONG ENOUGH FOR REY TO LAND TWO BLOWS.
If you don’t think it is every possible for someone to land a couple of lucky blows on an adversary in a fight who is more experienced then they are then I can’t help you. I do have to wonder though how you explain the times heavy weight champs lose fights in boxing or other combat based sports.
Also again if you have problem with this, Vader comes out and credits Luke’s use of the force with making it hard for him to lock onto and destroy Luke’s fighter in the first movie and Vader is a much more experienced combat pilot(Someone being a good pilot with civilian air craft does not make them a great combat pilot. That is why we can’t just take 747 pilots and put then in fighter aircraft without any training.)and has used the force a lot longer and he used it to kill Jedi back in the day, so why don’t you have a problem with the first movie?
If you just go by the movie with out any of the sequels, prequels, or behind the scenes info Luke being to out fly Vader and not get instantly killed like everyone else makes no sense by the same logic that you apply to the Ren/Rey fight.
Well any way I didn’t mean to get dragged back into this and this is the last time for real because everything I say is being completely ignored so I am sick of typing out the same basic facts about how the human body works over and over again so I am done.