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Post #896953

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John Doom
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TFA: Why I don't think Rey is a Merry Sue
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Date created
14-Jan-2016, 6:53 PM

oojason said:

With respect JD, I think you’re pausing to talk and shift what you say you mean around, not pausing to take in and listen, and your arguments are circular. For example…

your new reply 1 - ‘only referring to the fact she was able to fly the Falcon good enough to not get destroyed by the Tie-Fighters’… and then ‘not a real issue’. Which is it? Why didn’t you say that in the first place instead?

It was obvious, as I was answering to this question, read it again:

John Doom said:

oojason said:

I disagree with a lot of that JD - for one she hasn’t acquired more skills than Luke has (has she?)

She has, indeed:
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-she’s a good enough pilot that she can outdo two (or three?) Tie-Fighters; Specifically, she knows how to pilot the Falcon AND also knows how to fix specific Falcon’s issues;

your new reply 2 - your ‘almost fully trained Jedi’… holding a lighsabre and still it’s a small knowledge of the Force (of all the force powers and abilities out there…)

Right, she doesn’t use the Force for mind reading, mind tricking or pulling lightsabers out of the snow, things Luke could only do in ROTJ (with the exception of pulling in TESB once), when Yoda says he knows everything he needs to know.

your new reply 4 - it contradicts your own claims in your new reply 2. Which is it - ‘she barely knows what it is’ or ‘almost full trained jedi’?

And that’s the contradiction I meant. If she barely knows about the Force and had no training, how can she use it like an almost fully trained Jedi? Never explained.

your new reply 5 - he’s now ‘drawing power from the Darkside’ because another user on here said so? Again, that’s quite a reach.

DrCrow just said the same thing I said in this thread, but anyway, it’s just a guess.

your new reply 6 - ‘Which, again, is something she does but never explained how or even hinted’ - erm… Maz hints at it where she says that Luke’s sabre is calling to her… and Maz tells her about the Force - “it moves through and around every living thing”, “close your eyes… feel it… the Light. It’s always been there - it will guide you.” - after the Force Visions where she touches Luke’s lightsabre. As I stated before the Force guided Rey when she let it in after she was her getting beat by Rey (you know, the bit where she closed her eyes and let the Force in?)

😄 When she was taking a nap, I remember it. Did they explain how she did it (IF she did it? DrCrown, for example, says Ren was instead defeated because he became powerless)? If it was not explained, was at least ever enstablished in any SW movie that people can learn about the Force like when “downloading” in The Matrix, with no actual training?

I’ve done you the courtesy of answering your statements and questions - but as I stated above, your posts shift in what you mean, your arguments are circular - and you don’t seem to have taken in what others have said - so I hope you understand why I won’t be replying to you again on this. Thank you.

Had you read what I said, you would’ve find out that I’ve actually taken into consideration and agreed on some points stated in this thread. No problem, anyway.