Nothing you said is ever officially stated in Star Wars if it stands on it’s own without any other movies. So if something not being officially stated as fact in bold typeface in TFA means that explanations based on lines and what we see there doesn’t count, then why do the explanations in Star Wars count.
When is it stated on screen before the stormtroopers scene that Jedi can could people’s minds like The Shadow?
You are giving Rey crap for having having powers and knowing things that have not been spelled out before they were used in the movie, when Obiwan does the exact same thing in the first movie.
I think you’re completely missing my point. It’s not about explaining how these characters can use their skills BEFORE they’re used, it’s just about explaining, either before or after. Just explain something or at least hint at it, c’mon :
Obi-wan is fine because we know he’s a Jedi, trained in the Force. We don’t know his specific “spells” yet, but we do know he’s able to “cast spells” like a “wizard”. Rey, on the other hand, is not a “wizard”, does not know about “magic” and yet she’s suddenly able to make use of powerful “spells” without any sort of explaination. It’s just not the same.
We are never shown Leia knowing what Chewie is saying, in fact she talks about him like he is a thing and throws around what could be considered a racist remark about his race. this would lead me to believe that she has never interacted with Wookies before, so why would she be able to understand him?
You’re assuming she’s never interacted with a wookie only because of her calling Chewie a “big walking carpet”? Had he been “The Nutty Professor” and had Leia said something about his body, would’ve meant she had never interacted with a human being? 😄
But anyway, I still don’t remember Leia actually talking with Chewie. I’m reading the shooting script at this very moment, and the only clue I see is “The Wookiee chatters something to Leia”, which doesn’t mean she understood what she said.
Also if Leia wasn’t helping to fly the ship then why did she need to go up there in the fist place and when is it stated in any of the movies that she knows anything about flying a ship, let alone enough to help in combat with a ship that controls are so far from the standard most people use that Luke, who is quite a good pilot, is confused by them. When is it even implied that she has any training that would help on a merchant ship in combat? If she isn’t up there to help fly it then all she was doing was getting in Chewbaca’s way, in the middle of a combat situation and why would Han or Chewie let her do that?
Same thing with her piloting: like in the movie, nowhere in the script I can see her actually piloting the Falcon, just “Leia watches the computer readout as Chewbacca manipulates the ship’s controls”.
Probably Chewie can’t handle everything by himself, even if he just someone to read about the ship’s status. As I alredy said the post before, it may be a plot hole, I’m not defending it.
Vader has still been in combat and Luke has not, so again how is Luke able to out fly Vader for so long and how is he so in touch with the force after one training session? I mean Luke being to out fly Vader under the logic you are applying to Rey and Ren’s fight, would be like a crop duster pilot being to out fly a an ace when they were dueling in state of the art F22s. Why are you not calling Luke a Marry Sue.
Because has been officially enstablished in the movie that Luke is a skilled pilot. All he had to do against Vader was flying streight to the target, anyway, so there was nothing he could do to out fly him. Why do you say he out flew Vader? Have we seen the same movie? 😄
Oh and about the fight think about what I have just explained as someone who has used a sword and has studied it’s use for some time and then tell me what part of this doesn’t make sense. Ren starts out winning but in the cold people burn through energy fast, he is using up his fast then Ray is, then you add in the fact that he is wounded, then he leaves himself open to an attack because he wants to try and tempt Rey to the dark side, he has not been in a real fight since Luke vanished so he isn’t expected Rey to lash out, he is expecting her to join him because he is just that full of himself, she then surprises him after letting the force in and gets in a couple of lucky hits that send him to the ground. He tired by this point and his body was giving out, if he had seen Rey as a threat he would have finished her off before he got tired, but he did and that did him in, it’s all there in the fight. You can tell he is getting tired because he keeps hitting himself so he can use the pain to keep himself awake and angry and full of energy.
Real life fights are nothing like the ones you see in video games, there are not any stats that determine who wins and loses every time, and in a sword fight if you misplace one foot in the middle of the fight, not matter how good you are you can find yourself in a world of hurt.
Yeah, but nothing does ever happen suddenly like that. One second before he was good enough to corner her, one second later he’s powerless. It makes no sense, I’m tired of repeating myself on this :\
Oh and if all it takes is the one training session to open Luke’s mind to the force, then could it be that Rey’s vision when she touched Luke’s lightsaber and then Ren using the force to try and get into her head had opened her mind to the force and thus she was able to do things on the same scale Luke was? I know this isn’t spelled out in the movie, but since when is everything spelled out in any Star Wars movie?
All that stuff you said explaining plot holes in Star Wars, was never stated on screen, we are left to figure it out ourselves from the context of how it shows up in the movie, so why is it not okay for TFA to do the exact same thing and to a lesser degree?
Since almost everything was spelled out or at least hinted in the other movies and, if it didn’t, it should’ve been. Something major as Rey’s ability to use the Force should’ve not been ignored by the movie itself, it feels like a deus-ex-machina.
Oh right because this movie is new so bashing it is cool, but bash Star Wars or any of it’s characters is not.
I don’t find not liking some aspects of TFA cool.
I don’t think anyone would even be complaining about Rey if she had been a guy, I think the only reason this question even comes up is because she is a girl and whenever there is a female lead in a modern movie it doesn’t take long for someone to accuse her of being a Marry Sue but I have never once in my life seen this same charge applied to a male character.
The fact is we see her make mistakes, she isn’t perfect, and everyone doesn’t treat her like she is the best thing in the history of everything and that alone puts her out of the running to be a Marry Sue without anything else needing to be explained. She is only a Marry Sue if you ignore all the times she makes a mistake or isn’t perfect at something, and once you are doing that then it is on you and not the writers, since they have no control over what you make up in your own head.Honestly I think it has gotten to the point that if a female character does anything right in a movie and doesn’t spend the whole time crying while waiting for a male hero to save her she is called a Marry Sue.
I have no problem with Rey being a girl: Even if he were I guy, I would’ve still complained that his skills were coming out of nowhere, with no explaination and when needed by the plot.
Since I started posting in this thread, never once I said that I disliked Rey for not making mistakes and being “too perfect”. I dislike her character for the way she’s suddenly able to do what needs to without a proper explaination.