Another wall of text coming… sigh, I guess we should all try to be more concise.
your first reply - you ignored the crashing the Falcon bit, she didn’t outdo 2/3 Ties - Finn shot 2 down, yes? A bit of teamwork wouldn’t you say.
Well, I was only referring to the fact she was able to fly the Falcon good enough to not get destroyed by the Tie-Fighters, but anyway, it’s just part of the list of things she is able to do in the movie, not a real issue.
your second reply - holding a lightsabre and having a small knowledge of using the Force does not make her an ‘almost fully trained Jedi’.
Small knowledge? Luke, right after its brief training in TESB, doesn’t do mind tricks and can barely pull or throw stuff.
your third reply - ‘just that some of her skills are unexplained, so it feels like she always knows exactly what is needed when is needed’ - makes little sense.
That sometimes she doesn’t seem a true character fully enstablished, but more like a deus-ex-machina.
your fourth reply - ‘sudden knowledge of the Force’ - we’ve established she has knowledge of The Force beforehand - but not how to use it before the interrogation scene with Ren. During the interrogation she gains that knowledge from Ren himself, no?
And how can she gain such knowledge without using the Force? And yet she barely knows what it is, nevermind how to use it.
your fifth reply - you’re reaching a lot there in claiming being shot by a powerful bowcaster made him more powerful?
Not the would itself, but that hurting it could enrage him, drawing power from the dark side. That’s something which was suggested by another user (I don’t remeber who) and may actually be the only reason he uses this “emo practice” 😄
and Rey still only had the upper hand when she let the Force in.
Which, again, is something she does but never explained how or even hinted.
Yeah she still had to get a feel for using the lightsaber so she wouldn’t be winning the fight from the start but again if you know the first thing about swords then you know that going on the offense with one takes a lot more energy then being on the defense. In other words the whole time Ren is fighting ray he is wounded and he is not trying to kill her, but he is using more energy then she is when he is wounded so when she gets a feel for the weapon and she gets mad he is in trouble. Really he lost control for less then thirty seconds and that cost him the fight, even the best sword fighters can have this happen to them. Also again what proof do we see in the film that Ren is really good with a lightsaber, do we see him defeat anyone who is trained with a lightsaber in the movie, if the movie is supposed to stand on it’s own then what proof are we given that he knows what he is doing with a lightsaber. All we know is that he killed some other Jedi, but we are never told it is in a lightsaber fight.
You’re saying that he can fight with no problem for like 2 minutes and suddenly (and I repeat, suddenly) is powerless? Because he has no problem fighting Rey until she says “Woah the Force! I’m going to take a nap” “letting the Force in”, and he’s suddenly defeated. Does it make sense to you? Am I just nitpicking?
Ren does knock down Finn and corners Rey, so he’s at least more skilled than them, which means the problem remains.
Oh and as for Rey knowing about the gas and how the controls work, if she had to interact with those systems at all while doing the installs for that big guy on the planet then she would need to know how those systems worked. Now she may not remember every detail every second of her life because it was not the center of her existence but have you ever tried to make repairs or upgrades to a car or a computer without knowing the basics of how the systems work? It can’t be done because you will end up wrecking the thing.
This could be an explaination, but was never officially stated, if right. It wouldn’t have hurted, I guess 😄
Oh and here are just a few skills/ powers/ plot points that are in the original Star Wars that were not explained before they showed up in the theatrical cut and seem to come out of nowhere.
Obiwan being able to use the Jedi mind trick on the Stormtroopers.
Obi-wan is a master in the Force. No problem here.
Leia being able to understands Chewbaca when she takes over for Han during the tie fighter attack.
Obi-wan is able to talk with him too in the Cantina. Considering we’re in an alien society, it’s pretty obvious some people need to learn alien languages, especially Leia who is a royal (and a spy).
Leia knowing how to help Chewbaca pilot the Falcon during said attack, to the point where she is even able to give damage reports.
She doesn’t pilot the Falcon herself (I don’t remember seeing her actually piloting it) and the Falcon’s panel is probably self-explaining for the damages. If not, I agree with you that it wasn’t explained.
Luke being able to use the force. He trains once for about thirty seconds with Obiwan.
It does learn the lesson that he can “let go to his feelings”. He’s still guided by Obi-wan during his “perfect shot” which, anyway, he said it could’ve actually be done even back on Tatooine (before learning about the Force). Still more believable than anything Rey does with zero training in TFA.
The hidden storage compartments on the Falcon. They come completely out of nowhere and are only there to advance the plot, their existence is never even hinted at before hand.
But it’s explained they used it for smuggling, it is actually explained and was in the Falcon all along.
Luke being able to out fly trained pilots and hit a target even a computer can’t. Remember the line about him being a great pilot was cut from the theatrical cut and it wasn’t until I heard the radio version that I knew the T-16 was a ship and not the type of speeder he was driving around. In the movie it is not made clear and we never hear about him piloting a ship before this, except for him saying “I am not such a bad pilot myself” but this seems like him bragging to Han and Obiwan rolls his eyes at this claim, so the movie it’s self up to that point leads us to believe that Luke knows nothing about piloting. The only way a new viewer to the film could know where Luke’s skills comes from is if they somehow knew about the deleted scenes, but that assumes they read a novel or youtube existed back in 77.
Wrong, I already said it: Obi-wan says Luke is quite a good pilot too, like his father.
Also it still doesn’t make much sense since Luke doesn’t seem to know how hyperspace works and the flashing lights on the Falcon’s controls seem to puzzle him and he needs Han to explain both of these things to him, and yet they must be some for of standardized controls that most ships use or how else do we explain Leia knowing how to use the Falcon later in the same movie? Unless there is some untold story that she and Han are keeping under wraps where she was on the ship before and Han taught her how to fly it. This is a massive plot hole that makes no sense to this day and makes bot Luke and Leia Marry Sues.
Well, no one said fighters and merchant ships work and control the same. About Leia, read what I said before.
Even if this one were an actual plot hole, it would be one actual plot hole (which is still bad) against I can’t even remember how many plot holes in TFA just for Rey.
I have to wonder why the people attacking this movie for being worthless garbage are not doing the same to Star Wars. If Rey is a Marry Sue then Luke is one too and that means Star Wars has been a piece of worthless garbage that should be burnt from day one.
Who are you talking to? :\ I never said this movie is “worthless garbage”.