What didn't you like about TFA? SPOILERS — Page 31

Alderaan said:

I think you guys are missing the point. It doesn’t matter how quickly characters could move around the Death Star or Starkiller, but rather it’s up to the filmmaker to create the illusion of the passage of time.

In the original Star Wars, for instance, it would have been ridiculous for R2 and 3PO to land right at Luke’s doorstep when they crashed onto Tatooine. The film created the illusion of the passage of time with the sandcrawler sidequest. Just adding in a small subplot like that can be very effective.

In TFA, nothing like this ever happens. When people need to run into each other, they just do it. It comes across as contrived.

Clearly a lot of people don’t understand basic film production methodologies, showing the passing of time is as basic as it gets.

My favorite part of the original trilogy, and where TFA really fails, are the sleeping scenes.

Vader was asleep through most of the trilogy.
Most of his lines were spoken by his Sith Lord alarm clock.

Maybe I didn’t explain my criticism well enough, but it wasn’t just about passage of time, in fact it primarily was not. It was about the complexity of the base. If you were in downtown Manhattan in a skyscraper, and you saw some person you needed to get to in a skyscraper across the street, even if the two buildings were owned by the same company and had tunnels or bridges connecting them, it is guaranteed that crossing the gap and finding that person would be very difficult, especially if there was any kind of security and you looked like you didn’t belong there.

Sure, the time factors in, it would take forever just to find the room you’d seen them in. But if they were moving about, that would leave it to chance that you’d find them or not, calculated by square footage and rate of movement, to be technical. So we can figure that they were in fact lost, but maybe by chance, the Force helping perhaps, they ran into one another. But then we’re back in the realm people here keep getting into where you come up with your own personal explanation for something the screen in no way shows or implies, and we should not be doing the filmmaker’s work for them.

It isn’t nitpicking. It’s frankly absurd. You may not have picked up on it, but I literally laughed out loud in the theater involuntarily when this scene happened. And I’m not a hater of this movie either, I mostly loved it.

cyclista said:

Maybe I didn’t explain my criticism well enough, but it wasn’t just about passage of time, in fact it primarily was not. It was about the complexity of the base. If you were in downtown Manhattan in a skyscraper, and you saw some person you needed to get to in a skyscraper across the street, even if the two buildings were owned by the same company and had tunnels or bridges connecting them, it is guaranteed that crossing the gap and finding that person would be very difficult, especially if there was any kind of security and you looked like you didn’t belong there.

Sure, the time factors in, it would take forever just to find the room you’d seen them in. But if they were moving about, that would leave it to chance that you’d find them or not, calculated by square footage and rate of movement, to be technical. So we can figure that they were in fact lost, but maybe by chance, the Force helping perhaps, they ran into one another. But then we’re back in the realm people here keep getting into where you come up with your own personal explanation for something the screen in no way shows or implies, and we should not be doing the filmmaker’s work for them.

It isn’t nitpicking. It’s frankly absurd. You may not have picked up on it, but I literally laughed out loud in the theater involuntarily when this scene happened. And I’m not a hater of this movie either, I mostly loved it.

Wouldn’t all of this apply to a lot of the scenes inside the Death Star too?

We wouldn’t even be having this discussion if Lucas had given the Imperials transporter technology.

Oversightful Lucas was oversightful.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Oversightful Lucas, was Oversightful.

Fixed.

hydrospanner said:

cyclista said:

Maybe I didn’t explain my criticism well enough, but it wasn’t just about passage of time, in fact it primarily was not. It was about the complexity of the base. If you were in downtown Manhattan in a skyscraper, and you saw some person you needed to get to in a skyscraper across the street, even if the two buildings were owned by the same company and had tunnels or bridges connecting them, it is guaranteed that crossing the gap and finding that person would be very difficult, especially if there was any kind of security and you looked like you didn’t belong there.

Sure, the time factors in, it would take forever just to find the room you’d seen them in. But if they were moving about, that would leave it to chance that you’d find them or not, calculated by square footage and rate of movement, to be technical. So we can figure that they were in fact lost, but maybe by chance, the Force helping perhaps, they ran into one another. But then we’re back in the realm people here keep getting into where you come up with your own personal explanation for something the screen in no way shows or implies, and we should not be doing the filmmaker’s work for them.

It isn’t nitpicking. It’s frankly absurd. You may not have picked up on it, but I literally laughed out loud in the theater involuntarily when this scene happened. And I’m not a hater of this movie either, I mostly loved it.

Wouldn’t all of this apply to a lot of the scenes inside the Death Star too?

Yet another way TFA copied the OT. What a lazy movie!

TV’s Frink said:

hydrospanner said:

cyclista said:

Maybe I didn’t explain my criticism well enough, but it wasn’t just about passage of time, in fact it primarily was not. It was about the complexity of the base. If you were in downtown Manhattan in a skyscraper, and you saw some person you needed to get to in a skyscraper across the street, even if the two buildings were owned by the same company and had tunnels or bridges connecting them, it is guaranteed that crossing the gap and finding that person would be very difficult, especially if there was any kind of security and you looked like you didn’t belong there.

Sure, the time factors in, it would take forever just to find the room you’d seen them in. But if they were moving about, that would leave it to chance that you’d find them or not, calculated by square footage and rate of movement, to be technical. So we can figure that they were in fact lost, but maybe by chance, the Force helping perhaps, they ran into one another. But then we’re back in the realm people here keep getting into where you come up with your own personal explanation for something the screen in no way shows or implies, and we should not be doing the filmmaker’s work for them.

It isn’t nitpicking. It’s frankly absurd. You may not have picked up on it, but I literally laughed out loud in the theater involuntarily when this scene happened. And I’m not a hater of this movie either, I mostly loved it.

Wouldn’t all of this apply to a lot of the scenes inside the Death Star too?

Yet another way TFA copied the OT. Lazy Movie, was Lazy!

FTFM

hydrospanner said:

cyclista said:

Maybe I didn’t explain my criticism well enough, but it wasn’t just about passage of time, in fact it primarily was not. It was about the complexity of the base. If you were in downtown Manhattan in a skyscraper, and you saw some person you needed to get to in a skyscraper across the street, even if the two buildings were owned by the same company and had tunnels or bridges connecting them, it is guaranteed that crossing the gap and finding that person would be very difficult, especially if there was any kind of security and you looked like you didn’t belong there.

Sure, the time factors in, it would take forever just to find the room you’d seen them in. But if they were moving about, that would leave it to chance that you’d find them or not, calculated by square footage and rate of movement, to be technical. So we can figure that they were in fact lost, but maybe by chance, the Force helping perhaps, they ran into one another. But then we’re back in the realm people here keep getting into where you come up with your own personal explanation for something the screen in no way shows or implies, and we should not be doing the filmmaker’s work for them.

It isn’t nitpicking. It’s frankly absurd. You may not have picked up on it, but I literally laughed out loud in the theater involuntarily when this scene happened. And I’m not a hater of this movie either, I mostly loved it.

Wouldn’t all of this apply to a lot of the scenes inside the Death Star too?

I’d have to go back and scan episode IV, but I think while they were inside that death star they did a lot of looking and pointing at screens with floor plans on them, and also had R2 giving them directions.

It wouldn’t have taken much, just a wipe might have been enough to fix it. They did that earlier when the Falcon started fucking up in the middle of Rey and Finn having a moment. Finn was like WHATS HAPPENING and Rey jumped down in a hole aaaannnnnd wipe. It was funny but fine.

Oh, also:

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/In-what-ways-did-TFA-completely-nail-it-either-in-terms-of-filmmaking-or-in-terms-of-continuity-SPOILERS/id/47541

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cyclista said:

hydrospanner said:

cyclista said:

Maybe I didn’t explain my criticism well enough, but it wasn’t just about passage of time, in fact it primarily was not. It was about the complexity of the base. If you were in downtown Manhattan in a skyscraper, and you saw some person you needed to get to in a skyscraper across the street, even if the two buildings were owned by the same company and had tunnels or bridges connecting them, it is guaranteed that crossing the gap and finding that person would be very difficult, especially if there was any kind of security and you looked like you didn’t belong there.

Sure, the time factors in, it would take forever just to find the room you’d seen them in. But if they were moving about, that would leave it to chance that you’d find them or not, calculated by square footage and rate of movement, to be technical. So we can figure that they were in fact lost, but maybe by chance, the Force helping perhaps, they ran into one another. But then we’re back in the realm people here keep getting into where you come up with your own personal explanation for something the screen in no way shows or implies, and we should not be doing the filmmaker’s work for them.

It isn’t nitpicking. It’s frankly absurd. You may not have picked up on it, but I literally laughed out loud in the theater involuntarily when this scene happened. And I’m not a hater of this movie either, I mostly loved it.

Wouldn’t all of this apply to a lot of the scenes inside the Death Star too?

I’d have to go back and scan episode IV, but I think while they were inside that death star they did a lot of looking and pointing at screens with floor plans on them, and also had R2 giving them directions.

It wouldn’t have taken much, just a wipe might have been enough to fix it. They did that earlier when the Falcon started fucking up in the middle of Rey and Finn having a moment. Finn was like WHATS HAPPENING and Rey jumped down in a hole aaaannnnnd wipe. It was funny but fine.

If a wipe is enough to fix it, it wasn’t really that much of a problem in the first place.

Just ask my baby.

HA

WHAT

Also, I said might. If the editor INSISTED on being LAZY.

Actually ok I just added that qualification now. But yeah, probably no one wants a lazy editor all up in their Star Wars, so.

Also how am I going to ask your baby questions. Does your baby actually answer questions? Will we talk on the phone?

Congratulations on your super cool/advanced baby.

I think I’ll take that child and rear it to be my dark apprentice when it comes time for me to conquer the world.

Of course, the child will probably betray and kill me, severing my head and displaying it on a metal spike for all to see. Nothing ventured, though, nothing gained.

Noted.

Noting accomplishes nothing if it isn’t subsequently filed.

Pass.

I was just disappointed… The teasers were false advertising at best.

Bosk said:

I was just disappointed

Please. No matter how the movie turned out it would have disappointed you. So saying you are disappointed doesn’t mean a whole lot.

The teasers were false advertising at best.

Explain please…

I’ve already supplied my reasoning for my dislike of any spin offs of the OT. They are not star wars films. They fail to follow the iconography, the codes and conventions, the mis en scene and the mythological creation of the OT. These spin offs have tainted the OT. Some things should be left alone. Classic films should be protected and this blatant abuse shouldn’t be allowed to happen to any classic, including shot by shot remakes such as Psycho…it just boils my piss they have destroyed something that was pure fantasical magic.

They haven’t destroyed anything. Just like the PT, if you don’t like it, ignore it.

The only destruction of the OT was by Lucas when he pulled the originals.

Lord Haseo said:

So saying you are disappointment doesn’t mean a whole lot.

LOL. If only he had said that.