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DESPECIALIZED EDITION QUALITY CONTROL THREAD - REPORT ISSUES HERE — Page 2

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REPORT-ESB - (V2.0 I think.)
01:07:39
During the transitional shot from Captain Needa’s departure To Yoda training Luke, The Colours change from Despecialised to the Blu-ray version

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paladinryan said:

REPORT-ROTJ-v2.0-WP
00:14:26
020796
Jabba has two arms as the subtitle “At last we have the mighty Chewbacca” appears, and this continues for a while.

To add to that

REPORT-ROTJ-v2.0-WP
00:14:30.11
Frame 20891 and 20892 show that the subtitle didn’t fade out properly.

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REPORT-RoTJ-v2.0-WP

33:13 gate weave. Glue frame

33:14 gate weave

2:02:21 Death Star Exploding has scratches and gate weave

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REPORT-ROTJ-WP-2.0
00:12:35:21

Loss of detail and color in the blown-out highlights on the two dancers in the Lapti Nek scene. The bright spot on the floor in this scene is also much bigger in the workprint due to being so blown out. Han’s face may also suffer a bit from the blown-out highlights during the song/scene.
Comparison to ROTJ 720p final AVCHD, workprint above:
http://imgur.com/j35VK0b

Also I noticed that the wipe from Jabba’s palace to the first shot of the sail barge is very different, I guess the one in the workprint is the correct one?

00:29:36:15
Overall better color than in the previous version (that looks like it has too much magenta in comparison) but maybe a bit too much green or blue? There is a lot of hair on display in this shot and it looks a bit dull/lifeless. Maybe these close up shots of Han and Luke never looked very natural due to the bluescreen effect?

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REPORT-SW-2.5
00:51:48
To me this wipe looks kind of off, like there are remnants of the Blu Ray wipe left in here.

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REPORT-SW-v2.5

00:04:54
Reflection of red lights on R2 is clipped

00:04:58
Large red light to left of C-3PO is clipped

00:05:10
Red lights at end of corridor are clipped, reflections on R2 are, too, to a lesser degree

00:05:18
Large red light to left of C-3PO is clipped

00:40:35
Noticeable color shift during wipe

01:16:42-01:22:27
The red highlights (faces, hair) in the trash compactor seem really odd, like they were pushed past clipping and then scaled back again. Possibly due to clipped source, You_Too’s de-purpling correction, then re-purpling to match the reference

01:40:08
144053
PAL/NTSC sync issue: contains extra frame not in NTSC GOUT

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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REPORT-SW-v2.5
00:03:31
The actor’s face appears too white, or bleached out. I’m not sure if this is how it is supposed to look or not. I watched the GOUT 2006 DVD and this scene appeared to have more natural skin tones, color wise. Was the GOUT 2006 DVD color-corrected further from the original?

Thanks, and keep up the great work!!!

“Your eyes can deceive you. Don’t trust them.” – Obi-Wan Kenobi

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JTZenith said:

paladinryan said:

REPORT-ROTJ-v2.0-WP
00:14:26
020796
Jabba has two arms as the subtitle “At last we have the mighty Chewbacca” appears, and this continues for a while.

To add to that

REPORT-ROTJ-v2.0-WP
00:14:30.11
Frame 20891 and 20892 show that the subtitle didn’t fade out properly.

By two arms, of course, I mean he has three arms (two on the side closest to his food bowl).

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REPORT-ROTJ-v2.0-WP

I’ve decided to make a compilation of all reports from the ROTJ-thread that weren’t reposted yet. Tried to kill as many redundancies as possible.


yoda-sama said:

00:29.30
is that edge enhancement on the people on the skiff outside the window?


Wazzles said:

between 00:02:20 and 00:02:30.
Alright, well the TIE fighters and shuttle in the beginning are digital comps (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-weOl4KYaBjI/TL2bsHkXl2I/AAAAAAAAdUI/HY7DXvLO94M/w1043-h899-no/Comp-004.jpg https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-d9IJCPl0BMI/TL2bsECMeiI/AAAAAAAAdUk/Q8j7mWp43sA/w1043-h899-no/Comp-005.jpg).

01:56:13
matte painting extension is still there, as well as the recomped explosion.

02:00:00
occasional film damage/dirt around Shaw’s face Nothing too terrible.

02:02:13
quite a bit of film damage on the Death Star explosion.

02:04:36
ships flicker in and out of existence.

Quite a bit of noticeable gate weave whenever 35MM shots are occurring.
This, plus what I already pointed out, are all I noticed in a quick look over the film. I didn’t watch the entire thing, just skipped around to the areas with the most prominent SE changes. Overall, this is a ridiculously huge improvement over 1.0.


EvanRevan322 said:

00:36:17
in the middle of the wipe transition into the gang flying away from Tatooine (referring to: the last frame of a shot being a bit differently colored or stuff like that).


pittrek said:

21588 (according to VirtualDubMod frame count)
A weird glitch happens - when the subtitle disappears, you can see at this frame the bodies of Jabba and C3PO at the place previously occupied by subtitles, the rest of the frame shows Leia and Chewie.

One more thing - the Rancor scene was dark. I mean it was "so dark I have to adjust the brightness to actually see what’s going on " dark. Is that correct? I have seen ROTJ only on VHS tapes (and the GOUT once) but I never seen it so dark. It’s not a complaint, just a question.


timdiggerm said:

I watched a few scenes last night and noticed the jitter on the pan-up from the forest to fireworks at the end.


joefavs said:

02:04:34-02:04:54
I think the 35mm stuff immediately after the funeral pyre leading into the Ewok celebration really ought to be stabilized in the final 2.0. The other instances of gate weave aren’t too distracting, but right there it gets pretty extreme.

approx 00:36:10
There’s an awful lot of flicker on the shot with the skiff speeding off after Jabba’s barge explodes. I know you said a lot of the 35mm tweaks would probably have to wait until 2.5, Harmy, but this really jumps out at me. If that and the gate weave at the Ewok celebration I mentioned a few posts ago were the only fixes of that nature in 2.0, I’d be happy with that.


jacksparrow900 said:

The Rancor Scenes was dark also after Oola falls into the pit it looked like there was magenta color in some of the frame. Can’t wait to sit down and watch it entirely.


f8k8 said:

00:13:49 - 00:13:52 (019900 - 019970),
I noticed that there seem to be a couple of grey vertical lines in the background on the left behind Jabba, I think they appear when he leans forward. I’m not sure if these were in the original, but they look like they shouldn’t be there.


mumbles_ said:

Yeah I noticed the wobble in the picture with the fireworks scene and some strange looking blacks with artifacts throughout the darker scenes in the film. Hopefully a hybrid of 35mm film sources could fix this for 2.5. All-in-all though, a great improvement from the 1st version of ROTJ DE. Thanks so much for your hard work Harmy!


FrankT said:

00:02:27:12 / 003540
The compositing on the TIE fighter appears to be the corrected SE one. I don’t know if you want to revert that to the original transparent form or…?

00:12:23:00 / 017832
This entire sequence is a relief to see again! Noticeable gate weave though.

00:14:30:11 / 020831
There’s a visible discolouring left by the subtitles. It lasts for a few frames.

00:33:57:18 / 048906
This shot seems a little fuzzy. Don’t know if it was like that in theatres. Might have been.

00:34:17:13 / 049381
Apparently this shot was just shades of tan, but I can see some blue sky. Is this exclusive to GOUT prints, or is the theatrical print like that?

00:36:10:23 / 052103
Noticing a few vertical lines (scratches) in this shot, just at the bottom-left corner.

00:36:15:10 / 052210
Possible healing error on the centre dune.

00:36:17:04 / 052252
Bit dusty.

00:45:05:15 / 064935
May be a 2004 recompsite: there is an odd vertical light element thru Obi-Wan’s head, which previously was a branch.

00:53:10:03 / 076563
The outline between Vader and the screen is smoothed - a 1997 correction. Again, don’t know if you want to keep or change that.

01:42:18:13 / 147325
2011 R2. Presumably you already know about it, but I’m making a note of it here for completion’s sake. (also notice the colour’s a bit haywire here.)

01:56:17:20 / 167468
Looks like the redone Emperor’s shaft explosion.

02:04:35:13 / 179413
Noticeable gate weave for this and the next few shots.

02:06:20:18 / 181938
Gate weave noticeably stops just as the end credits appear. May be able to apply the HDTV final shot here, at least to a degree.


CatBus said:

post-credits: “bought” is spelled wrong


Darth Mallwalker said:

Got GOUT-sync?

We don’t want <(team member formerly known as negative1)> to think
that I’m picking on him exclusively, so…

Workprint frames 141780 & 781 are the same frame repeated (GOUT 141780).

GOUT 143417 is missing from the workprint, last frame of the shot.

From GOUT shot 22860-23044, the workprint is missing one frame.
Probably the last frame of that shot is the one missing.

Compared to GOUT shot 25408-743, the workprint has two additional frames
at the beginning of the shot.

From GOUT shot 28230-651, the workprint is missing one frame.
Probably the last frame of that shot is the one missing.

aviSynth said:

cHarmy= avcSource(“ROTJ v2.0 Workprint.dga”)

cSync=
trim(cHarmy, 00000, 23043)
+blankClip(cHarmy, 1)
+trim(cHarmy, 23044, 25406)
+trim(cHarmy, 25409, 28651)
+blankClip(cHarmy, 1)
+trim(cHarmy, 28652,141780)
+trim(cHarmy,141782,143417)
+blankClip(cHarmy, 1)
+trim(cHarmy,143418, 00000)

Sorry, it’s what I do.
Anyway counting frames of RotJ is far more fun than watching it!

Please note I didn’t check every single shot, and won’t do.
Only checked reel change, LD sides, and wherever pulldown cadence changed,
since those points were annotated in IVTC scripts I’ve previously shared.

I admire your efforts to keep it GOUT-sync’ed
because interchangeable parts are NOT over-rated.

No, it’s not back in sync by the end of the next shot.
It remains out-of-sync throughout those sequence:
23045-25407
25408-28651
141781-143417
The last two being worse offenders, with picture lagging behind the sound,
since light is supposed to travel faster than sound (even in far-away galaxy?)
WTF is “good enough”? A slippery slope, no doubt.
Only half-joking when I say I hope fame hasn’t got to your head.
Your attention to detail has served you well


SmegPod said:

Around when the Emperor arrives on the Death Star, the music sounded kinda funny, like a slight phaser effect or something. The biggest problem I noticed was R2-D2 around the 1:42 mark - his chroma layer looked fairly offset. Also, like others have mentioned, scenes with low lighting came out very dark, almost to the point of obscuring details. None of these detracted from my viewing experience, however, and allowed me to finish my Star Wars marathon on a good note.


Nearsighted Scrappile said:

Yeah I’ve brought up the “wind tunnel” occurring during the Emperor’s arrival before. The music is actually a hodgepodge of 3 different cues, and NONE of the source material has that flanging, phasing in and out effect. That tells me that it luckily didn’t happen at the scoring sessions, but at some point when being mixed down for God-knows how many prints were going to be produced. I have yet to experience ANY copy of that part of the film that this is fixed. It drives me nuts as an “audio guy”, but unfortunately it was used as the master for umpteen million releases, even the BD. If it were up to me and I knew how to work with video, I would assemble the track and put it in the film. But, it is what it is. Something happened in mastering and mixing that made the speed of the film change slightly from the sound going on at the same time or vice versa. So yes, Ben Burtt makes mistakes like everyone else.

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towne32 said:

I said some stuff, too (3x posts, I think)

Yes, you did. But I don’t think that I missed any unsolved issues or issues that weren’t reported by someone else.

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REPORT-ROTJ-v2.0-WP

00:14:58:00 Frame 021552 (It is 2nd frame just after ‘I want fifty thousand, no less’.) Has a blend of CP30 and Jabba’s abdomens from the next shot overlayed on top of Chewie and bounty hunter’s bodies. Thank you, all the efforts are greatly appreciated!

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REPORT-SW-v2.5
01:03:25
Poor selective coloring from the 2004 master is still present.

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REPORT-ROTJ-WP-2.0
02:05:26:13
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Green artifact on Luke’s forehead.

There’s one more thing I noticed which may or may not be of note. A year ago Harmy posted a better version of the Jabba’s palace scene and I took a screenshot of it. Now that the workprint came out I wanted to compare this still with the new release and got this. If you look closely, you’ll notice that in the 2.0 workprint the scene is cropped more than in 1.0 - this is especially visible on Oola’s eyes.

EDIT: Also, the workprint has a very narrow (1 pixel) black border on the left and right of the image, also visible in the Oola screenshot above, which wasn’t there in 1.0.

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REPORT-ROTJ-v2.0-WP

00:24:25 - 00:27:58 - The entire rancor sequence has a heavily blue tint and is often quite dark

00:27:46 - very dark shot of the crying man, its almost black.

00:29:09 - lots of flickering

00:36:12 - 00:36:18 - The only difference in the bluray is the new composited shadow, why not use a CCed shot from the bluray and roto out the shadow?

00:36:19 - 00:36:24 - The film scan of leaving the planet needs alot of cleanup, however the bluray looks much sharper, why not just use a layer blend with the bluray as the base layer and the film scan on top for the colour

01:39:39 - 01:39:41
This shot of the falcon flying by the blockade runner seems to be horribly low resolution, with a lot of sharpening applied. Its my favourite shot, visually, in the movie and the official bluray version has much higher quality, what has happened?

01:40:47 - The shot of the Emperor’s face is far too dark when compared to the GOUT, and even darker than the Bluray, which is already darker than the GOUT.

Also the entire sequence of Darth Vader’s unmasking, I believe from the new transfer, is far too dark, has too much contrast and has a heavy blue tint, for example:

01:59:41 - you are unable to see Vader’s scar on the back of his head, in fact his whole head is a silhouette, on the GOUT and Bluray this detail is clear. If the Team Negative 1 transfer doesnt have the detail in it when brightened, it shouldnt be used.

After all that, I applaud your efforts, ive never seen Lapti Nek in such high quality!

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REPORT-SW-v2.5
01:16:41
Between minutes 01:16:40 and 01:19:48, in the trash compactor scene, the track sound in Spanish (Castilian) turn on into Spanish Latino, can you fix it? Thanks for your work.

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bubu54 said:

REPORT-SW-v2.5
01:16:41
Between minutes 01:16:40 and 01:19:48, in the trash compactor scene, the track sound in Spanish (Castilian) turn on into Spanish Latino, can you fix it? Thanks for your work.

The fixed audio is already available as a separate download. See the frst post of Project Threepio, and go to the tehPARADOX link, and you’ll find it, or PM me.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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In SW 2.5, there is a lot of color inconsistency on the Death Star. I know the colors are based on an original print, so I was just wondering if the color inconsistency in 2.5 was the way it looked in the original,or just human error on your part. Another thing I noticed was that in the scene when the millennium falcon reaches Yavin, the leaves in front of the original matte painting of the rebel base are blurry and not very well composited. One last thing is that in the shot where the millennium falcon leaves that hangar on Tatooine the top of the tallest building does notch the compositing of the rest of the building.

Theatre, Godzilla, and Star Wars; pretty much sums me up.

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I meant “not match”, not “noch”

Theatre, Godzilla, and Star Wars; pretty much sums me up.

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A couple of things that didn’t seem quite right to me with Return of The Jedi 2.0 Workprint (not sure if these have been mentioned before):

REPORT-ROTJ-v2.0-WP

@ 00:36:13 - Visible film line scratch on bottom left hand side throughout shot. [Skiff leaving after Jabba’s sail barge explodes.]

@ 01:35:56 - The top, left and right sides of the screen appear to have a blue tint to most of the storm troopers this continues for some time until about 01:38:00 I think.

Okay take this second one with a grain of salt because I’m almost certainly wrong on this one.
@ 01:42:25 - The second shot (close up) of R2D2 shorting out after plugging into the power terminal to open the doors on Endor seems to have different gadgets from the original film (I could be wrong on this one and that could just be great practical effects at the time).

EDIT: Sorry, looks like FrankT caught the first one but I don’t believe anyone mentioned the second one and apparently I wasn’t crazy with the third issue as it’s indeed from the 2011 SE. Thanks for your hard work Harmy!


**😮ver&out:
**mumbles

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Do I remember correctly that the Empire credits were whipped up from scratch? Have we caught all the typos by now? I just noticed “dialoge editors”.

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CatBus said:

REPORT-ESB-v2.0

02:00:26
credits are a reconstruction, contain numerous typos

Presumably they wouldn’t be fixed, so much as outright replaced with 35mm sources. Also, bug reports only (yeah yeah, breaking the rule myself)

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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Ah all right. I just had a rather boozy viewing with a couple friends and we thought we’d made a great discovery.

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Just a quick clarification on that (sorry this is not a bug report, harmy), the noticeable typos in ESB credits aren’t just because they were created from scratch, but because harmy accidentally put into the final v2.0 an older version of the credits that did not include a swath of findings that had already been reported, corrected and rendered. There are a lot of known problems in the credits because of that, but with all the film scans he’s been getting, it likely makes putting any more effort into the rendered credits (released version or error corrected) a moot point.