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Is it possible troop training has gotten a bit sloppy, and nobody dares tell the Emperor about it? The Empire could be coasting a bit on the whole fear thing.

And it’s not like the Ewoks were winning before Chewie hijacked a scout walker.

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I kinda think it’s mainly an issue with the Emperor. As Luke points out, the Emperor’s overconfidence is his weakness. Plus, he failed to sense Luke was on Endor too. The old man was just waning from old age combined with his complacent view of his Empire that was falling apart.

Or, buy my conspriacy theory that the old coot was digging his own grave: Emperor, Endor, Ewoks. EEE. Triple E = 666 in Star Wars confirmed!

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SilverWook said:

Is it possible troop training has gotten a bit sloppy, and nobody dares tell the Emperor about it? The Empire could be coasting a bit on the whole fear thing.

And it’s not like the Ewoks were winning before Chewie hijacked a scout walker.

It should have been a rout.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

TavorX said:

Triple E = 666

But “F” is the sixth letter in the alphabet. 😛

Sadly yes, it would had made my nutjob theory better. For my terms, I was just making “EEE” be the ‘bad’ triple code in the SW universe. Lame I know.

The Rise of Failures

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TavorX said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

TavorX said:

Triple E = 666

But “F” is the sixth letter in the alphabet. 😛

Sadly yes, it would had made my nutjob theory better. For my terms, I was just making “EEE” be the ‘bad’ triple code in the SW universe. Lame I know.

Isn’t Triple E bad enough?

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I think that the people who critique RotJ for Ewoks just have latent teddy-bear issues or something, and that their gripes say something about only them, and not the movie.

It says that we understand there’s no way a bunch of Ewoks should be able to take down an entire Legion of the Emperor’s best troops.

… who wear full body armour that does nothing to protect the wearer, and only makes it difficult for the wearer to see, and walk.

Though maybe their visors server as excellent sunglasses, not that there is excessive sunlight under the tree canopy on Endor.

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Again, that is a (perfectly valid) criticism of the movie. If you are going to give the Ewoks a pass, you have to criticize the utter stupidity of the setup. You can shift blame around however you like, but the battle to blow up the shield generator is a failure.

Having said that, I still enjoy the film. But I don’t see how it’s better than the first two.

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TV’s Frink said:

You can shift blame around however you like, but the battle to blow up the shield generator is a failure.

Your opinion.

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The only thing about Jedi that has ever bothered me is when Luke puts his saber down when confronting the emperor prior to being electrocuted, bit of an OB1 moment as he must have known saying i’ll never turn to the dark side would mean his own demise.

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TV’s Frink said:

…there’s no way a bunch of Ewoks should be able to take down an entire Legion of the Emperor’s best troops.

Yes just like there’s no way one x-wing could sink a single shot down into the Death Star’s exhaust port of less than 2m wide, blowing the whole damn thing up. You once again underestimate the power of the Force.

That’s what Star Wars was all about from the beginning–scrappy underdogs beating seemingly insurmountable adversity–the power of fantasy ensuring that Good prevails over Evil.

Plus, Stormtroopers were ALWAYS clowns.

[Insert gif of Stormtrooper smacking head on blast door frame]

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An army of Force sensitive Ewoks? Did Luke train them afterwards? Did he give them lightsabers?

Ceci n’est pas une signature.

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The Force can be with groups and individuals who haven’t trained before. Luke and Leia had been with the Ewoks, and their thoughts might have been a catalyst for the Force to be in their presence. Also, the Endor fight concerned the Force on both sides, so there could have been a heavy Force presence in general.

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Delicieuxz said:

The Force can be with groups and individuals who haven’t trained before. Luke and Leia had been with the Ewoks, and their thoughts might have been a catalyst for the Force to be in their presence. Also, the Endor fight concerned the Force on both sides, so there could have been a heavy Force presence in general.

I don’t remember anything in the films supporting this theory.

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TV’s Frink said:

It says that we understand there’s no way a bunch of Ewoks should be able to take down an entire Legion of the Emperor’s best troops.

Well if you watched the film, the imperial unit battling the Ewoks was a company-sized at most. Maybe “entire legion” was on the planet or in the area, but most certainly not at the back-door section.

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We know there was at least one Imperial Walker on Endor, and it plays no part in the battle at all. I long thought it must gone far afield looking for the rebels. Too far away to make it back in time. Luke could have even mind tricked the walker commander into looking in the wrong place.

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So the Emperor barely guarded the only thing on the moon worth guarding?

The whole thing was a trap. It’s a trap! The Emperor knew what the Rebels were doing there.

I love all the insane ideas you guys are coming up with trying to defend the idea that the Endor battle makes sense.

But sure, I’m the one who didn’t watch the movie.

I was right, your 350 Million Dollar Fan Film is really going to be bad.

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TV’s Frink said:

So the Emperor barely guarded the only thing on the moon worth guarding?

The whole thing was a trap. It’s a trap! The Emperor knew what the Rebels were doing there.

I love all the insane ideas you guys are coming up with trying to defend the idea that the Endor battle makes sense.

But sure, I’m the one who didn’t watch the movie.

Maybe you watched it but you sure didn’t get the very basic stuff. It was a trap for 10 rebel operatives whom Vader allowed to pass in the stolen shuttle. A company-sized unit was a big overkill.

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TV’s Frink said:

Delicieuxz said:

The Force can be with groups and individuals who haven’t trained before. Luke and Leia had been with the Ewoks, and their thoughts might have been a catalyst for the Force to be in their presence. Also, the Endor fight concerned the Force on both sides, so there could have been a heavy Force presence in general.

I don’t remember anything in the films supporting this theory.

I guess you must have never watched a Star Wars film before, then.

It’s seriously the basis of the force, that it is present in all things, moving and guiding everything. Leia has it, without training. And in TFA, which you seem to be a fan of, Rey is strong with the force despite no training, stronger even than Kylo. And she employs it without even knowing she can.

And it’s the basis of characters saying “May the force be with you”, even non trained characters to other non trained characters.

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imperialscum said:

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So the Emperor barely guarded the only thing on the moon worth guarding?

The whole thing was a trap. It’s a trap! The Emperor knew what the Rebels were doing there.

I love all the insane ideas you guys are coming up with trying to defend the idea that the Endor battle makes sense.

But sure, I’m the one who didn’t watch the movie.

Maybe you watched it but you sure didn’t get the very basic stuff. It was a trap for 10 rebel operatives whom Vader allowed to pass in the stolen shuttle. A company-sized unit was a big overkill.

You’re the one who thinks most of the troops were off sipping lemonade on the non-shield generator parts of the planet. Again, why?

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Delicieuxz said:

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Delicieuxz said:

The Force can be with groups and individuals who haven’t trained before. Luke and Leia had been with the Ewoks, and their thoughts might have been a catalyst for the Force to be in their presence. Also, the Endor fight concerned the Force on both sides, so there could have been a heavy Force presence in general.

I don’t remember anything in the films supporting this theory.

I guess you must have never watched a Star Wars film before, then.

It’s seriously the basis of the force, that it is present in all things, moving and guiding everything. Leia has it, without training. And in TFA, which you seem to be a fan of, Rey is strong with the force despite no training, stronger even than Kylo. And she employs it without even knowing she can.

Your examples are all force-sensitive people. There is nothing in any movie to indicate Ewoks won the day because of The Force. That’s not how The Force works!

And it’s the basis of characters saying “May the force be with you”, even non trained characters to other non trained characters.

Good point! Also, every person who ever responded to a sneeze with “God bless you” goes to church every day.

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TV’s Frink said:

imperialscum said:

TV’s Frink said:

So the Emperor barely guarded the only thing on the moon worth guarding?

The whole thing was a trap. It’s a trap! The Emperor knew what the Rebels were doing there.

I love all the insane ideas you guys are coming up with trying to defend the idea that the Endor battle makes sense.

But sure, I’m the one who didn’t watch the movie.

Maybe you watched it but you sure didn’t get the very basic stuff. It was a trap for 10 rebel operatives whom Vader allowed to pass in the stolen shuttle. A company-sized unit was a big overkill.

You’re the one who thinks most of the troops were off sipping lemonade on the non-shield generator parts of the planet. Again, why?

I didn’t say that. I assumed you had some common sense. The complex/area seemed to be quite big. The other companies obviously guarded other perimeters (main door, potential other side doors, landing platform, etc.). Wherever the tiny rebel group tried to make their move there would be a company-sized unit waiting for them.

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I love ROTJ. It was great that the only version I had seen of it for the first few years was a VHS recorded off of a TV broadcast that omitted the droid torture scene and the scene where threepio explains the entire trilogy complete with sound effects to the ewok village. When I finally saw the official version a few years later I didn’t understand why those scenes were necessary and have since come to see them as some of the worst scenes in the entire OT, so whoever edited down for time for TV made some good decisions.

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imperialscum said:

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imperialscum said:

TV’s Frink said:

So the Emperor barely guarded the only thing on the moon worth guarding?

The whole thing was a trap. It’s a trap! The Emperor knew what the Rebels were doing there.

I love all the insane ideas you guys are coming up with trying to defend the idea that the Endor battle makes sense.

But sure, I’m the one who didn’t watch the movie.

Maybe you watched it but you sure didn’t get the very basic stuff. It was a trap for 10 rebel operatives whom Vader allowed to pass in the stolen shuttle. A company-sized unit was a big overkill.

You’re the one who thinks most of the troops were off sipping lemonade on the non-shield generator parts of the planet. Again, why?

I didn’t say that. I assumed you had some common sense. The complex/area seemed to be quite big. The other companies obviously guarded other perimeters (main door, potential other side doors, landing platform, etc.). Wherever the tiny rebel group tried to make their move there would be a company-sized unit waiting for them.

How big is this complex? The size of the planet? That must explain why the rest of the Legion never showed up.

Why am I arguing with someone who seems to think the Ewoks are well-executed?