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What didn't you like about TFA? SPOILERS — Page 30

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bishabosha said:

Some pointless issues:

Why after the opening crawl, and panning down to Jakku in the background, WHY do the troop transports fly towards the CAMERA, i.e. IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION

I remember the planet in the opening shot looking blueish. Was it actually Jakku? (I can’t remember what Jakku looked like when the Falcon flew away from it)

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DevilWing said:

bishabosha said:

Some pointless issues:

Why after the opening crawl, and panning down to Jakku in the background, WHY do the troop transports fly towards the CAMERA, i.e. IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION

I remember the planet in the opening shot looking blueish. Was it actually Jakku? (I can’t remember what Jakku looked like when the Falcon flew away from it)

No, that wasn’t Jakku in the opening shot.

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I forgot to mention one part of the structure that blew my mind it was so absurd.

So when Chewie, Finn, and Han are looking for Rey and running around in Starkiller base, which is presumably enormous, and of which there is zero indication that they’ve memorized the complete blueprint/layout of, they suddenly spot her across this huge chasm. SECONDS LATER, they are IN THE SAME ROOM WITH HER. THE BASE IS THE SIZE OF A SMALL CONTINENT.

Like, I know we cut the full time of them running through this or that corridor because it would be boring, that’s fine, but in this insanely huge base, how the fuck did they find the EXACT room she was in AT ALL?

No rationalizations, please. Did I miss some detail? Because this was immediately absurd to me as I watched. Like how did they even know how to get to that area across this freaking chasm, much less to orient themselves well enough to arrive at her exact level and specific room? Without a homing transponder of some sort, in real life they would be running around for potentially hours trying to connect with her location, especially since she’d be on the move at the same time.

Are we going to just rationalize this as a “the Force guided their path” moment? Ugh. I’d assume it was the Force that led the trio to see her across the chasm, sure. But the sheer amount of area and corridors to traverse and rooms to check - without being obstructed, caught, hopelessly lost, or alarms being raised either - that’s a tendon-snapping stretch.

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cyclista said:

I forgot to mention one part of the structure that blew my mind it was so absurd.

So when Chewie, Finn, and Han are looking for Rey and running around in Starkiller base, which is presumably enormous, and of which there is zero indication that they’ve memorized the complete blueprint/layout of, they suddenly spot her across this huge chasm. SECONDS LATER, they are IN THE SAME ROOM WITH HER. THE BASE IS THE SIZE OF A SMALL CONTINENT.

Like, I know we cut the full time of them running through this or that corridor because it would be boring, that’s fine, but in this insanely huge base, how the fuck did they find the EXACT room she was in AT ALL?

No rationalizations, please. Did I miss some detail? Because this was immediately absurd to me as I watched. Like how did they even know how to get to that area across this freaking chasm, much less to orient themselves well enough to arrive at her exact level and specific room? Without a homing transponder of some sort, in real life they would be running around for potentially hours trying to connect with her location, especially since she’d be on the move at the same time.

Are we going to just rationalize this as a “the Force guided their path” moment? Ugh. I’d assume it was the Force that led the trio to see her across the chasm, sure. But the sheer amount of area and corridors to traverse and rooms to check - without being obstructed, caught, hopelessly lost, or alarms being raised either - that’s a tendon-snapping stretch.

wasn’t there a cheesy wipe to show the passing of time?

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I don’t think wipes are cheesy personally, I like them in Star Wars, and they might have fixed this scene tolerably if used. But nope, no wipe at all. Just a cut directly to the trio finding Rey, like she just rung the doorbell to their apartment and all they had to do was run down one flight of stairs to meet her.

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The worst thing about TFA was the lack of dead Ewoks.

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The Death Star was the size of a small moon, and yet people seem to get around pretty fast.

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TV’s Frink said:

The worst thing about TFA was the lack of dead Ewoks.

Well they did cut the scene where Ren goes to Endor to get grandfather’s mask. 😉

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SilverWook said:

TV’s Frink said:

The worst thing about TFA was the lack of dead Ewoks.

Well they did cut the scene where Ren goes to Endor to get grandfather’s mask. 😉

They cut 30 years of the past as well.

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Bosk said:

SilverWook said:

TV’s Frink said:

The worst thing about TFA was the lack of dead Ewoks.

Well they did cut the scene where Ren goes to Endor to get grandfather’s mask. 😉

They cut 30 years of the past as well.

Look on the bright side, 30 years of past was untainted. 😃

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imperialscum said:

Bosk said:

SilverWook said:

TV’s Frink said:

The worst thing about TFA was the lack of dead Ewoks.

Well they did cut the scene where Ren goes to Endor to get grandfather’s mask. 😉

They cut 30 years of the past as well.

Look on the bright side, 30 years of past was untainted. 😃

Every second of those 30 years will be explained eventually. So keep those tears ready for later use.

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SilverWook said:

TV’s Frink said:

The worst thing about TFA was the lack of dead Ewoks.

Well they did cut the scene where Ren goes to Endor to get grandfather’s mask. 😉

Oh man I hope we get to see that. Ren roasting an Ewok on a spit…

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If there is a flashback on Endor I hope they include Mount Sorrow.

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TV’s Frink said:

SilverWook said:

TV’s Frink said:

The worst thing about TFA was the lack of dead Ewoks.

Well they did cut the scene where Ren goes to Endor to get grandfather’s mask. 😉

Oh man I hope we get to see that. Ren roasting an Ewok on a spit…

Don’t be silly. He couldn’t even beat the poor untrained girl. The bears would roast his ass, literally.

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imperialscum said:

TV’s Frink said:

SilverWook said:

TV’s Frink said:

The worst thing about TFA was the lack of dead Ewoks.

Well they did cut the scene where Ren goes to Endor to get grandfather’s mask. 😉

Oh man I hope we get to see that. Ren roasting an Ewok on a spit…

Don’t be silly. He couldn’t even beat the poor untrained girl. The bears would roast his ass, literally.

Well he was dying from a bowcaster shot, his sword arm had been damaged from Finn’s lucky hit and he was mentally unstable. I’d give the kid a break. He is a villain in training after all.

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You’re missing the point. Ren is an EMO CRYBABY and the Ewoks are VICIOUS MONSTERS WITH ADVANCED ROCKS AND FORCE POWERS.

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cyclista said:

So when Chewie, Finn, and Han are looking for Rey and running around in Starkiller base, which is presumably enormous, and of which there is zero indication that they’ve memorized the complete blueprint/layout of, they suddenly spot her across this huge chasm. SECONDS LATER, they are IN THE SAME ROOM WITH HER. THE BASE IS THE SIZE OF A SMALL CONTINENT.

http://imgur.com/q1xZJoW

Look at this, Finn’s pointing at the thermal oscillator here. In the movie, that looked about 300-500 metres wide from all the shots we see from inside it and the close up shots from the aerial strikes by the X Wings.

So therefore if the scale shown in this hologram is supposed to be accurate, Starkiller base is a VERY VERY small planet, many times smaller than The Moon, with probably a 40km radius, making the internal base small enough to see each other by chance quite likely

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bishabosha said:

cyclista said:

So when Chewie, Finn, and Han are looking for Rey and running around in Starkiller base, which is presumably enormous, and of which there is zero indication that they’ve memorized the complete blueprint/layout of, they suddenly spot her across this huge chasm. SECONDS LATER, they are IN THE SAME ROOM WITH HER. THE BASE IS THE SIZE OF A SMALL CONTINENT.

http://imgur.com/q1xZJoW

Look at this, Finn’s pointing at the thermal oscillator here. In the movie, that looked about 300-500 metres wide from all the shots we see from inside it and the close up shots from the aerial strikes by the X Wings.

So therefore if the scale shown in this hologram is supposed to be accurate, Starkiller base is a VERY VERY small planet, many times smaller than The Moon, with probably a 40km radius, making the internal base small enough to see each other by chance quite likely

EDIT: looking up the canon diameter of the Death Star, they claim that its 120Km radius, so, they fucked up with the scaling of Starkiller base basically

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imperialscum said:

Bosk said:

SilverWook said:

TV’s Frink said:

The worst thing about TFA was the lack of dead Ewoks.

Well they did cut the scene where Ren goes to Endor to get grandfather’s mask. 😉

They cut 30 years of the past as well.

Look on the bright side, 30 years of past was untainted. 😃

True. Shame the same can’t be said for the future

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I explained earlier that getting around the Death Star wouldn’t be that restrictive.
If you could take away the obvious barriers to making one (the ones they ignored in the very silly Total Recall remake) a gravity train would go pole to pole through the Earth in about 40mins.
The Death Star has lots of elevators and lifts which could act in the same way, it’s not the size of the Earth and it exists in a universe where artificial gravity is cheap enough for smugglers to have.
The same would probably be true of the base.

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I think you guys are missing the point. It doesn’t matter how quickly characters could move around the Death Star or Starkiller, but rather it’s up to the filmmaker to create the illusion of the passage of time.

In the original Star Wars, for instance, it would have been ridiculous for R2 and 3PO to land right at Luke’s doorstep when they crashed onto Tatooine. The film created the illusion of the passage of time with the sandcrawler sidequest. Just adding in a small subplot like that can be very effective.

In TFA, nothing like this ever happens. When people need to run into each other, they just do it. It comes across as contrived.

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Alderaan said:
In TFA, nothing like this ever happens. When people need to run into each other, they just do it. It comes across as contrived.

I find the fact that out of all the sandcrawlers R2 and C3P0 just end up being on the same one to be contrived. But that’s just me.

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Lord Haseo said:

Alderaan said:
In TFA, nothing like this ever happens. When people need to run into each other, they just do it. It comes across as contrived.

I find the fact that out of all the sandcrawlers R2 and C3P0 just end up being on the same one to be contrived. But that’s just me.

They were both in the same vicinity when they parted company , both are relatively slow walkers, movers so it’s not that implausible.

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Except they’re in completely different areas, just look at the terrain. There’s also a long shot of the mountains from the desert, right before they split up, where you can see how far away they would be.

I have no problem with how it happened, but that’s because I’ve never been on that Extreme Nitpickers show.