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I’m throwing all sorts of spanners in the works lately, but this idea came to me and it might be something to consider - especially if audio is the current focus of ESB:R.

The new look Emperor hologram for ESB:R is fantastic, and visually ties in well to ROTJ. But in ESB:SE, Ian McDiarmid’s line delivery is also wildly different compared to ROTJ. And it’s not really the delivery, so much as it is the register - his voice is far lower in ESB:SE, which is understandable given how much older he was at that point compared to his first appearance in 1983.

So I wondered if it would be effective to gently pitch McDiarmid’s dialogue up a notch. And perhaps some light EQing could bring him further in line with how he sounded in ROTJ. His voice is just so low and boomy in ESB:SE. Now sure, there might be an in-universe explanation for this discrepancy - the Emperor is chatting to Vader using an intergalactic communications device, and he’s been magnified (and amplified) to fill a large chamber. Those factors could definitely contribute to him sounding ‘boomier’ than in ROTJ, when we meet the Emperor in flesh.

But still - his voice is incredibly low by comparison. And so it might be worth considering a minimal re-pitch.

I’ve mocked this myself, by pitching the Emperor up by two semitones. I wasn’t working with an isolated dialogue track, so that meant pitching everything up by two semitones; background music and all. This makes it somewhat jenky - well, very jenky! But I think it’s fine as a proof-of-concept; just forgive any artefacts, and that slight ‘helium’ effect which creeps in!

To allow for comparison, I’ve included links below to the original, untouched ESB:SE Emperor audio; my pitched up Emperor audio; and audio from the Emperor’s first conversation with Vader in ROTJ. The aim was to try and achieve the closest match with the latter. Although it sounds somewhat wobbly - definitely wobbly! - I’d be hopeful that you could get a far closer result with an isolated dialogue track. “We have a new enemy: young Skywalker” and “He could destroy us” sound reasonably good, which gives me hope that a better result is possible.

EMPEROR DIALOGUE - ESB:SE - UNTOUCHED:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xzx86suesd9hbcs/Emperor Dialogue - ESB - Normal Pitch - Normal EQ.mp3?dl=0

EMPEROR DIALOGUE - ESB:SE - PITCHED UP TWO SEMITONES:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ho4mihxy5xii2mg/Emperor Dialogue - ESB - Pitched Up.mp3?dl=0

EMPEROR DIALOGUE - ROTJ - FIRST CONVERSATION WITH VADER:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1fz3oszukhpf48g/Emperor Dialogue - ROTJ - First Convo with Vader.mp3?dl=0

I see what you’re saying about the pitch of Palpatine’s voice, topdawg, and I’ve noticed it before, too, but I guess it’s never really bothered me that much–not sure about anyone else. Plus, the pitch-adjusted lines sound kind of chipmunky to me. Personally, I think I’d just keep the audio as-is in this case.

adywan any updates on empire revisited?

I debated weather I should bring this up and say something and I decided whatever just share a thought, Frink will have a go at me but never mind… So back when we were discussing the x-wing crash on Dagobah and the wings being closed so the engines were incorrect and so on.

I was wondering about the in cockpit crash and when I watched the Special fx Documentary narrated by Mark Hamill it shows the Cockpit was a mini cockpit with a camera rigged inside (explaining the cockpit inconsistancy) rigged on a wire to crash through the trees into the swamp.

Now I think the shot is somewhat effective bar the cockpit inconsistancy. Now any sort of crash in a modern film would probably be handled in an external shot of the crash rather than the way it is in Empire Strikes Back.

So I wondered had you ever thought about doing the crash “moment” (not bursting through the trees) externally using one of the x-wing models you have?
As for a set to film such a scene you need mud and water and a smoke machine which I believe is good and easy.If it was filmed in Plan view (looking down no need for green screen backgrounds) and perhaps a piece of fishing wire to pull the x-wing along or tug manually. It would be quite simple in that regard and perhaps 10x more effective. The only problem that I could see would be with the x-wing itself having to be modified with lights perhaps weighted and so on which is… Something that could be very simple then has to become more complicated unfortunately. But honestly I don’t know, it’s probably a lot more complicated than I think it would be but I will leave this vision I never shared previously with you and perhaps it’s something worth having a bit of fun with 😃

Ronster said:

Now any sort of crash in a modern film would probably be handled in an external shot of the crash rather than the way it is in Empire Strikes Back.

So I wondered had you ever thought about doing the crash “moment” (not bursting through the trees) externally using one of the x-wing models you have?

But ESB is NOT a modern film =P

In all seriousness, while your suggestion is an interesting one, I don’t think modernizing the cinematics of the film is Ady’s goal with Revisited. Just my two cents.

Captain Antilles said:

But ESB is NOT a modern film =P

In all seriousness, while your suggestion is an interesting one, I don’t think modernizing the cinematics of the film is Ady’s goal with Revisited. Just my two cents.

Well it is modernish, you know I just think about the original King Kong or something like that and how they managed to achieve what they did at that time with what they had available to them. The Original Star Wars trilogy works inside that same vein and yes you are right it is charming in it’s own right and the crash is not something that bothers me greatly. I always think of revisited as a way of perhaps bringing the films up to date slightly and I just wished to put across that point about Internal shot vs external shot.

If anything it’s unusual that they did not Handle the crash shot externally for the time it was made rather than the mini cockpit plonking in the swamp. I think really that is the point to this. But yeah look at thunderbirds and Terrahawks and stuff like that. They really did great miniature shots of crashes so It’s not so much a modern thought but perhaps a retro one at the end of the day.

Ah sorry I thought it was a mini cockpit, I admit I have not watched it since last year so my Bad. that cockpit does not have the display and yes It’s the only time we see it so no biggie. The top part is fine. Anyway It was a bit of fun about the crash not anything serious. Sorry I brought it up now. It was meant to be a bit of laugh.

Ronster said:

I debated weather I should bring this up

I hate to rain on your parade, but your thoughts seem at least partly cloudy, and there’s snow way that these things are worth winding anyone up over.

I knew you would have a go at me… It was something that I meant and not a wind up, but not something to take too seriously. I just like the model work which this project incorporates and I think that it is a wonderful thing. Basically If I were to put a more serious face on about what I said. The main problem is that the cockpit frame does not have the nose of the x-wing attached to it and that is really probably the main flaw with regards to the splash down part of the sequence not so much the crashing through the trees.

Is that ok?

I’m confused… Does the thread title show up for anyone else?

Adywan, thank you and the rest of the Revisited team again for all of your hard work, talent, ability…

… and patience!

Ronster said:

I knew you would have a go at me… It was something that I meant and not a wind up, but not something to take too seriously. I just like the model work which this project incorporates and I think that it is a wonderful thing. Basically If I were to put a more serious face on about what I said. The main problem is that the cockpit frame does not have the nose of the x-wing attached to it and that is really probably the main flaw with regards to the splash down part of the sequence not so much the crashing through the trees.

Is that ok?

I take it you missed the joke.

He did say

Ronster said:
…wind…

I assumed the “snow way” made it obvious…

Hey thank you so much for everything! It’s been a blast catching up with all the news, and am so excited for everything. I was wondering if you all have seen “The Star Wars Prequels are Secretly Brilliant?” I enjoyed it so much and don’t wanna assume everyone has. It could be some solid inspiration for your prequel ideas…
Hope y’all enjoy!

“The Star Wars Prequels are Secretly Brilliant?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2BNdF_NCVQ

Well that definitely belongs here.

NAlbert0 said:

Hey thank you so much for everything! It’s been a blast catching up with all the news, and am so excited for everything. I was wondering if you all have seen “The Star Wars Prequels are Secretly Brilliant?” I enjoyed it so much and don’t wanna assume everyone has. It could be some solid inspiration for your prequel ideas…
Hope y’all enjoy!

“The Star Wars Prequels are Secretly Brilliant?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2BNdF_NCVQ

This isn’t the thread you’re looking for…

obikal said:

NAlbert0 said:

Hey thank you so much for everything! It’s been a blast catching up with all the news, and am so excited for everything. I was wondering if you all have seen “The Star Wars Prequels are Secretly Brilliant?” I enjoyed it so much and don’t wanna assume everyone has. It could be some solid inspiration for your prequel ideas…
Hope y’all enjoy!

“The Star Wars Prequels are Secretly Brilliant?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2BNdF_NCVQ

This isn’t the thread you’re looking for…

Oh, but it was! Ben tell 'em!!

The truth is, I just wanted to share this with the Revisted crew and Adywan stated that he was trying to work on the rest of the movies at the same time. I’m unsure if that’s changed at all, but all things considered, I believe a group so talented could still use some inspiration for such terribly made movies. Anyway, thanks for the replies y’all!

That goes there : http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Unofficial-Complete-REVISITED-SAGA-Ideas-and-Random-Discussion-Thread/id/14610

Bingowings said:

That goes there : http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Unofficial-Complete-REVISITED-SAGA-Ideas-and-Random-Discussion-Thread/id/14610

thank you!

NAlbert0 said:

Bingowings said:

That goes there : http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Unofficial-Complete-REVISITED-SAGA-Ideas-and-Random-Discussion-Thread/id/14610

thank you!

Don’t thank me… We are all on the same team 😉

Team Negative1

I’m sure this has already been discussed but I don’t feel like searching through 1284 pages so I’ll just ask. Will you be restoring the unused (in 1980) music for the transitions to the bounty hunter scene and Captain Needa’s death, as the SE did? One of the few things they got right, in my opinion.