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Post #895543

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Delicieuxz
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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10-Jan-2016, 11:05 AM

Anchorhead said:

Delicieuxz said:
I can’t accept TFA as a real entry in the SW saga because it devalues the events in the original trilogy, and renders all those trials, lessons, and victories as nullified, by the very people who achieved them.

http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/off-the-clock-space-opera-millennials-and-their-gr/1100-5371/

This article is an excellent explanation of why some fans may be struggling with Lucas’ fairy tale ending being erased. Real life doesn’t always end with dancing plush toys.

It isn’t the ending of the original trilogy that would be negated by TFA, it’s the whole development throughout that period of time. Reality doesn’t revert. There may be similar things going on, but the states which create them are not the states which created the former. The considerations change. In TFA, Abrahms just reverts to the previous considerations and tries to rinse through them again.

Reality is not a do-over for the sake of millennial viewers’ emotions. Reality is not Han Solo smuggling and in the same money-trouble situations as we first encountered him in, as a senior citizen. Reality is not Leia being a general princess of the rebel resistance against a hegemony power with a mega weapon capable of destroying worlds in a single blast, running a fighter ship mission against the base while it powers up to fire on the rebel hideout… and as a senior, decades after she already ran that plot.

TFA isn’t ineligible as an equal entrant to the SW saga alongside the OT on grounds of it denying any emotions of the original trilogy, but because it technically and logically doesn’t add up, because it’s completely derivative, and because it makes no effort to have plausible explanations for why it’s simply a revert to OT tropes. A person has to be willing to shut down their mind and ignore all the details to be able to go along with TFA. And I expect that TFA is quite palatable to millennials, who it seems that the movie was made for.

So in the case of the SW OT, reality does seem to end with dancing bears, because it sure hasn’t shown itself thereafter.

TV’s Frink said:

Delicieuxz said:

Because TFA negates the value and meaning of the original trilogy’s sacrifices and victories, and because TFA’s value is its replication of those original trilogy experiences, its existence depends on the original trilogy evaluating as True.

TFA is dependent upon the original trilogy in all ways. But because TFA negates the victories and outcomes of the original trilogy, if the original trilogy evaluates as False, then TFA also evaluates as False. If TFA evaluates as True, then the original trilogy evaluates as False, and therefore TFA also evaluates as False. If the original trilogy evaluates evaluates as True, then TFA evaluates as False.

TFA evaluates as False against the original trilogy. So where the original trilogy is True, TFA not a part of its saga.

Are you a computer?

As I said, the TFA issues are not emotional ones, but logical ones. It logically and technically doesn’t work as a same-universe OT SW sequel.