What didn't you like about TFA? SPOILERS — Page 24

Bosk said:

Smoking Lizard said:

I’ve noticed that the general sentiment at other forums like TheForce.net is not as positive about TFA, and the list of critiques I posted here I posted there, and people were far more receptive.

Interesting. I suspected that the demographic here, in a forum seemingly devoted to the OT, would be a bit more receptive to critiques of TFA. I am also surprised to have been called an “OT fanboy” on an OT forum. But, hey, stranger things happen all the time.

I fell foul to this, this forum is seemingly only labeled original trilogy because they tell me it was formed to try and force the restoration of the original theatrical versions, presumably hoping they would be released on Blu Ray? Which, now Disney own it, will DEFINITELY happen. That’s where it ends. I joined (hoping) thinking this forum was full of OT purists, not so. But being called an OT fanboy was amusing and i’m really surprised they are so receptive towards the new installment considering it’s obvious faults.

This forum is full of people who love the OT and want the original versions released. It’s also full of people who like the prequels, hate the prequels, love ROTJ, hate ROTJ, love ANH and don’t care one bit about ESB…there’s no “everyone thinks alike” mentality here.

Which, by the way, is what you used to find on TheForce.net. I don’t know what has changed at TF.N, but prior to TFA, you weren’t allowed to dislike anything about any Star Wars there, including the prequels. People were banned for talking about the prequels the way you have been talking about TFA (and I’m not saying you shouldn’t be allowed to talk about TFA any way you want, so don’t go twisting that around).

hydrospanner said:

Why did the Rebellion bring the slow moving and shiny R2-D2 and C-3PO along with the strike team on that covert mission to blow up the shield generator on Endor?

Lazy writing.

TV’s Frink said:

Bosk said:

hydrospanner said:

Bosk said:

hydrospanner said:

Bosk said:

Bosk said:

hydrospanner said:

Bosk said:

No new star wars film will EVER match ESB…I don’t understand TFA? If the film was good these negative posts and nitpicking wouldn’t exist. Try and find a bad review pulling Esb to bits. Type problems with tfa in Google and you’ll read pretty much everything mentioned on this site.

http://www.nytimes.com/library/film/061580empire.html

here’s some links with regards to TFA problems

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=the problem with the force awakens
https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=force+awakens+disappointing

Well one of those links took me to an article with Samuel L Jackson saying he didn’t like the lightsaber fighting in TFA because it wasn’t as good as the ones in the prequels.

even the Vatican hated it http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/12/star-wars-the-force-awakens-vatican-review and some crtics had the balls to say what a few think http://www.thewrap.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-negative-reviews/

Lol and the critics who liked it all don’t have balls and are all lying because they are scared of what exactly?

Fan hate mail I’d suppose or just general corporate sheep who have been paid to market SW.

Hilarious.

As the actors do, you’ll rarely see an actor say a film is crap pre-release.

True. But you brought up critics, not actors.

Are you trying to say the media isn’t focused on promoting a specific product? Critics (journalists) advertising, interviews are all geared at promotion. Remember when News Corp had SW, they did a brilliant marketing job and the prequels were shocking, but there were good reviews everywhere at the time of release, the darkest ever etc NEWS Corp owns half (exaggerated) the world’s media.

TV’s Frink said:

hydrospanner said:

Why did the Rebellion bring the slow moving and shiny R2-D2 and C-3PO along with the strike team on that covert mission to blow up the shield generator on Endor?

Lazy writing.

Also, a complete and utter lack of understanding how military operations work. THEREFORE BAD MOVIE. THIS IS NOT A NITPICK.

Bosk said:

TV’s Frink said:

Bosk said:

hydrospanner said:

Bosk said:

hydrospanner said:

Bosk said:

Bosk said:

hydrospanner said:

Bosk said:

No new star wars film will EVER match ESB…I don’t understand TFA? If the film was good these negative posts and nitpicking wouldn’t exist. Try and find a bad review pulling Esb to bits. Type problems with tfa in Google and you’ll read pretty much everything mentioned on this site.

http://www.nytimes.com/library/film/061580empire.html

here’s some links with regards to TFA problems

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=the problem with the force awakens
https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=force+awakens+disappointing

Well one of those links took me to an article with Samuel L Jackson saying he didn’t like the lightsaber fighting in TFA because it wasn’t as good as the ones in the prequels.

even the Vatican hated it http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/12/star-wars-the-force-awakens-vatican-review and some crtics had the balls to say what a few think http://www.thewrap.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-negative-reviews/

Lol and the critics who liked it all don’t have balls and are all lying because they are scared of what exactly?

Fan hate mail I’d suppose or just general corporate sheep who have been paid to market SW.

Hilarious.

As the actors do, you’ll rarely see an actor say a film is crap pre-release.

True. But you brought up critics, not actors.

Are you trying to say the media isn’t focused on promoting a specific product? Critics (journalists) advertising, interviews are all geared at promotion. Remember when News Corp had SW, they did a brilliant marketing job and the prequels were shocking, but there were good reviews everywhere at the time of release, the darkest ever etc NEWS Corp owns half (exaggerated) the world’s media.

By your logic, critics that hated something are just hating it for the clicks. Which invalidates your LA Times article.

Honestly I have no idea what your point is here. If it’s that people who liked it are lying and people who hated it are heroes, well then I leave you to your theories.

JEDIT: LOL Bunny Tower

Post Praetorian said:

Bosk said:

This review says all I will ever need to say about it http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-star-wars-the-force-awakens-stinks-20151226-column.html

“watching “The Force Awakens,” I felt as though I was being shown a trailer for the next four movies in the series”.

This review is closer to my own experience…the sensation that I had been manipulated into paying to see an encore performance…

To be honest that’s how I feel every time I watch ANH. I walk away really enjoying the film but I always regard ESB and ROTJ as having the more important moments and that in turn makes me want to watch the others.

The fact that I feel this way about both films bodes well IMO

Post Praetorian said:

Bosk said:

This review says all I will ever need to say about it http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-star-wars-the-force-awakens-stinks-20151226-column.html

“watching “The Force Awakens,” I felt as though I was being shown a trailer for the next four movies in the series”.

This review is closer to my own experience…the sensation that I had been manipulated into paying to see an encore performance…

exactly ideological manipulation of the masses.

Michael Hiltzik must not be a paid Disney shill like the rest of them.

TV’s Frink said:

Bosk said:

TV’s Frink said:

Bosk said:

hydrospanner said:

Bosk said:

hydrospanner said:

Bosk said:

Bosk said:

hydrospanner said:

Bosk said:

No new star wars film will EVER match ESB…I don’t understand TFA? If the film was good these negative posts and nitpicking wouldn’t exist. Try and find a bad review pulling Esb to bits. Type problems with tfa in Google and you’ll read pretty much everything mentioned on this site.

http://www.nytimes.com/library/film/061580empire.html

here’s some links with regards to TFA problems

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=the problem with the force awakens
https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=force+awakens+disappointing

Well one of those links took me to an article with Samuel L Jackson saying he didn’t like the lightsaber fighting in TFA because it wasn’t as good as the ones in the prequels.

even the Vatican hated it http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/12/star-wars-the-force-awakens-vatican-review and some crtics had the balls to say what a few think http://www.thewrap.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-negative-reviews/

Lol and the critics who liked it all don’t have balls and are all lying because they are scared of what exactly?

Fan hate mail I’d suppose or just general corporate sheep who have been paid to market SW.

Hilarious.

As the actors do, you’ll rarely see an actor say a film is crap pre-release.

True. But you brought up critics, not actors.

Are you trying to say the media isn’t focused on promoting a specific product? Critics (journalists) advertising, interviews are all geared at promotion. Remember when News Corp had SW, they did a brilliant marketing job and the prequels were shocking, but there were good reviews everywhere at the time of release, the darkest ever etc NEWS Corp owns half (exaggerated) the world’s media.

By your logic, critics that hated something are just hating it for the clicks. Which invalidates your LA Times article.

Honestly I have no idea what your point is here. If it’s that people who liked it are lying and people who hated it are heroes, well then I leave you to your theories.

JEDIT: LOL Bunny Tower

Any review is promotion, bad ones will make people want to see it even more to make their own judgment call.

SilverWook said:

TV’s Frink said:
-The melee fight between the stormtrooper with the stun weapon and Finn with the lightsaber

I liked it and people at my theater were whooping it up. When have we ever seen a trooper with the Death Stars to attack like that?

My main gripe is that the stormie throws down his other weapon (presumably a blaster) first. Also a shield, I think, which was kind of weird. If he just had a melee weapon to begin with, I would have enjoyed it more. It does also help to see Finn use a lightsaber a little before the end of the movie.

-Ric Olie’s son in the briefing room explaining the oscillator

That is a great idea for your future TFA edit. 😉

Force ghost Ric for sure.

TavorX said:

In regard to TFA being favored well here in the forums, I think is not really accurate. I think instead, from what I’ve observed, are an active few on one side praising TFA, and a active few on the other side disliking it. I’ve seen quite a few less active posters post their review and the usual tends to be, “Well, it was decent, but I had some major issues with it…”

This site is indeed majorly leaning towards OT purism, which isn’t really a bad thing. This site churned out the Despecialized versions thanks to Harmy. What other places can say that? Also, Force.net I would assume gains loads more traffic than this site so you’ll see more vocal posters there than here. TV Frink’s, Hydrospanner, Lord Haseo and myself seem to be the ones whom really enjoyed it and generally don’t feel impacted by the criticisms. The majority of the posters here vary from giving it an average score to down right hating it.

The reason I wanted to chime in on that issue brought up by Smoking Lizard is because I think it was unfair to say this site is somehow less of a place when this community has done far more for Star Wars, especially the OUT, than any other place, and also because I don’t personally see this place favors TFA as a majority.

I think if you read the “Rate the Star Wars Movies” thread, the general consensus here is that it comes in either third or fourth, either just ahead or just behind ROTJ. And I think that’s perfectly reasonable.

I don’t ignore the issues with TFA and I would put it right around ROTJ as well. That’s not blind love for this movie. My vocal outbursts are directed at the nitpicks, the laziness, the hypocrisy, the uninformed points made by three-and-a-half people here.

Bosk said:

Any review is promotion, bad ones will make people want to see it even more to make their own judgment call.

Then no review is valid. So again, what is your point?

TV’s Frink said:

Bosk said:

Smoking Lizard said:

I’ve noticed that the general sentiment at other forums like TheForce.net is not as positive about TFA, and the list of critiques I posted here I posted there, and people were far more receptive.

Interesting. I suspected that the demographic here, in a forum seemingly devoted to the OT, would be a bit more receptive to critiques of TFA. I am also surprised to have been called an “OT fanboy” on an OT forum. But, hey, stranger things happen all the time.

I fell foul to this, this forum is seemingly only labeled original trilogy because they tell me it was formed to try and force the restoration of the original theatrical versions, presumably hoping they would be released on Blu Ray? Which, now Disney own it, will DEFINITELY happen. That’s where it ends. I joined (hoping) thinking this forum was full of OT purists, not so. But being called an OT fanboy was amusing and i’m really surprised they are so receptive towards the new installment considering it’s obvious faults.

This forum is full of people who love the OT and want the original versions released. It’s also full of people who like the prequels, hate the prequels, love ROTJ, hate ROTJ, love ANH and don’t care one bit about ESB…there’s no “everyone thinks alike” mentality here.

Which, by the way, is what you used to find on TheForce.net. I don’t know what has changed at TF.N, but prior to TFA, you weren’t allowed to dislike anything about any Star Wars there, including the prequels. People were banned for talking about the prequels the way you have been talking about TFA (and I’m not saying you shouldn’t be allowed to talk about TFA any way you want, so don’t go twisting that around).

I was banned after a few posts regarding the prequels at TFN, so thank you for not banning me (yet) for my opinions which are and I agree sometimes irrational but I am aggrieved at seeing yet another (in my opinion) failed attempt at a Star wars film.

I am not a moderator here but I’m quite sure you will never be banned for simply expressing an opinion on a film.

Although insisting TFA is worse than the prequels probably walks the line. 😉

TV’s Frink said:

Bosk said:

Any review is promotion, bad ones will make people want to see it even more to make their own judgment call.

Then no review is valid. So again, what is your point?

The majority of people (i’m not saying you or anyone on here) are susceptible to being manipulated to ‘Like’ a film through the media they consume, they are victims of ideological manipulation. My point is Disney don’t give a shit if they make a decent Star Wars film as has been said they don’t even need people to see the film as they will make more money on the franchise than the actual film.

TV’s Frink said:

I am not a moderator here but I’m quite sure you will never be banned for simply expressing an opinion on a film.

Although insisting TFA is worse than the prequels probably walks the line. 😉

I’d put TFA at an equal footing with TPM, I never said the prequels were better, how could I and if I did I was definitely being sarcastic.

Smoking Lizard said:

• Why did Ren “pray” to Darth Vader’s helmet when Luke, Leia, and Han surely would have told Ren the story of how Darth Vader was redeemed? Ren is shown asking Darth Vader to show him the way to resist the light…but Darth Vader would be the worst person in the galaxy, living or dead, to ask for advice on that topic, wouldn’t he? THIS IS NOT A NITPICK.

You are right, this is not a nitpick, however it’s very plausible that Ren came to believe that LLH lied to him about Vader.

Not to weaken my point, which I think is legitimate, but I can’t resist pointing out that he definitely would have thought “Gee, my grandfather wouldn’t have done that, because that would have made him a WEAK VILLAIN.”

And how do you know Luke told anyone what really happened anyway? He could have easily wanted to keep the whole thing to himself.

And I guarantee you everyone in the First Order either didn’t know the real story or refused to believe it. Certainly Snoke would have discredited that story every chance he had, especially to Ren.

But this is all speculation for now. Perhaps more will be revealed in the next two movies.

Bosk said:

TV’s Frink said:

Bosk said:

Any review is promotion, bad ones will make people want to see it even more to make their own judgment call.

Then no review is valid. So again, what is your point?

The majority of people (i’m not saying you or anyone on here) are susceptible to being manipulated to ‘Like’ a film through the media they consume, they are victims of ideological manipulation. My point is Disney don’t give a shit if they make a decent Star Wars film as has been said they don’t even need people to see the film as they will make more money on the franchise than the actual film.

Disney might not care but I believe JJ definitely cared, and it shows. You will of course disagree and that of course is fine.

Bosk said:

TV’s Frink said:

I am not a moderator here but I’m quite sure you will never be banned for simply expressing an opinion on a film.

Although insisting TFA is worse than the prequels probably walks the line. 😉

I’d put TFA at an equal footing with TPM, I never said the prequels were better

That’s still crazy talk, if you ask almost anyone here.

TV’s Frink said:

Bosk said:

TV’s Frink said:

Bosk said:

Any review is promotion, bad ones will make people want to see it even more to make their own judgment call.

Then no review is valid. So again, what is your point?

The majority of people (i’m not saying you or anyone on here) are susceptible to being manipulated to ‘Like’ a film through the media they consume, they are victims of ideological manipulation. My point is Disney don’t give a shit if they make a decent Star Wars film as has been said they don’t even need people to see the film as they will make more money on the franchise than the actual film.

Disney might not care but I believe JJ definitely cared, and it shows. You will of course disagree and that of course is fine.

Kasden cared too. I hope to fuck I’m not challenged on this one.

TV’s Frink said:

Bosk said:

TV’s Frink said:

Bosk said:

Any review is promotion, bad ones will make people want to see it even more to make their own judgment call.

Then no review is valid. So again, what is your point?

The majority of people (i’m not saying you or anyone on here) are susceptible to being manipulated to ‘Like’ a film through the media they consume, they are victims of ideological manipulation. My point is Disney don’t give a shit if they make a decent Star Wars film as has been said they don’t even need people to see the film as they will make more money on the franchise than the actual film.

Disney might not care but I believe JJ definitely cared, and it shows. You will of course disagree and that of course is fine.

He obviously had some foresight to cut Anakin’s force Ghost from the final edit, the film would have been crucified.