TV’s Frink said:
I’m not sure if you stayed awake during the whole film, or you just willfully ignore things that don’t support your positions. Are you claiming that Ren’s interrogation of Rey showed his virtually unlimited power?His physical power ldo.
Not sure what “ldo” means, but he uses the Force. How is “physical power” relevant?
I’m honestly confused what you are trying to say.
Rey stood up to him mentally, and that’s fine. I actually liked that scene quite a bit in the film.
But physically, Kylo trashed her and everyone else he encountered despite whatever insecurities he might have been fostering. He froze Rey and knocked her out with an effortless wave of his hand. He telekinetically picked her up and flung her through the air into a tree. He froze Poe Dameron in place and had him arrested. He stopped blaster bolts in mid air. He was not physically threatened in the entire film.
But then, at the end, he suddenly forgets he has these powers and gets his ass beat. Insecurity is not the reason for his loss, because he was just as insecure when he flung Rey through the air and knocked her out 2 minutes earlier IN THE EXACT SAME SCENE. The only explanation for Rey nearly killing Kylo is that someone wrote the script with one thing in mind, and someone else with more power decided they wanted a different ending with something else in mind.
The rest of the script and the ending do not match.
I think the problem here is how you’re completely separating the mental and physical prowess of a Jedi/force user. There’s always been an element of mind/spirit over matter in the OT. Therefore it stands to reason that if you’re of strong mind/spirit (or have recently become so because the force has “awakened” in you) then you have some sort of defence against these force attacks.
Think about the OT. It was established early in ANH that Vader could choke people to death. And yet Vader never ONCE tried it against Luke. Would have ended the fight pretty quick wouldn’t it, if Vader had just choked him to the point of unconsciousness? Well it’s pretty obvious to me that Vader couldn’t because of how strong Luke was in the force. That’s what sets the Jedi apart from the normal people in this universe, otherwise the logic of it would all fall apart.