–side note: why B-B-8. Every time a character says it, it throws off the cadence of their speech.
Say AB8 and BB8 out loud to yourself and you’ll hear what I mean, how the BB is jarring to say.
Presumably the BB is because he looks like a beachball and the 8 because he looks like an 8.
I know it was a side note more than a complaint, but that was seriously one of the weirder complaints I’ve heard about the movie.
My favorite part in ANH is when Han Solo dies.
That was my favorite part in ANH too. I love that scene because we can see it coming from a mile away, and it doesn’t force unnecessary emotion on us, because he dies with someone he’s only in one scene with. It’s trivial, but that’s the beauty of it? I mean think of how terrible the carbon freezing scene was, it was probably the worst scene in Empire Strikes Back, because of how connected the characters were, and everything they had gone through and then they are forced to watch Han suffer.
But in ANH, the writers came up with a brilliant idea. If they just call this person Han’s son, despite the two never appearing in any scenes together, it will sap all the emotion and meaning out of his death. That was brilliant wasn’t it?
My least favorite scene in ANH was when Vader kills Obi-Wan. That scene totally blows because it forced unnecessary emotion on us, because Obi dies with someone he’s only in one scene with.
BB-8 was great. Can’t see why anyone would hate on that little guy.
TV’s Frink said:
My least favorite scene in ANH was when Vader kills Obi-Wan. That scene totally blows because it forced unnecessary emotion on us, because Obi dies with someone he’s only in one scene with.
The scene wasn’t emotional because of Vader/Obi-Wan, it was emotional because of Luke/Obi-Wan. They had a lot of history together, on-screen, and Obi-Wan was Luke’s mentor. As soon as Vader strikes Obi-Wan down, which happens very quickly, there is a quick cut to Luke’s reaction. The director understood that the most important aspect of the scene was Luke’s reaction to his mentor’s death.
In TFA, on the other hand, the director focused almost all of the attention on the interaction between Han and Kylo. The slow frame rate killed the scene. Just brutal. There were cutaway shots to Leia, Chew, and Rey, but they all failed for various reasons.
As soon as Vader strikes Obi-Wan down, which happens very quickly
Not really relevant to the discussion, but it absolutely does not happen quickly.
TV’s Frink said:
My least favorite scene in ANH was when Vader kills Obi-Wan. That scene totally blows because it forced unnecessary emotion on us, because Obi dies with someone he’s only in one scene with.The scene wasn’t emotional because of Vader/Obi-Wan, it was emotional because of Luke/Obi-Wan. They had a lot of history together, on-screen, and Obi-Wan was Luke’s mentor. As soon as Vader strikes Obi-Wan down, which happens very quickly, there is a quick cut to Luke’s reaction. The director understood that the most important aspect of the scene was Luke’s reaction to his mentor’s death.
In TFA, on the other hand, the director focused almost all of the attention on the interaction between Han and Kylo. The slow frame rate killed the scene. Just brutal. There were cutaway shots to Leia, Chew, and Rey, but they all failed for various reasons.
Slow frame rate? there was no slow frame rate in that scene.
TV’s Frink said:
My least favorite scene in ANH was when Vader kills Obi-Wan. That scene totally blows because it forced unnecessary emotion on us, because Obi dies with someone he’s only in one scene with.The scene wasn’t emotional because of Vader/Obi-Wan, it was emotional because of Luke/Obi-Wan. They had a lot of history together, on-screen, and Obi-Wan was Luke’s mentor. As soon as Vader strikes Obi-Wan down, which happens very quickly, there is a quick cut to Luke’s reaction. The director understood that the most important aspect of the scene was Luke’s reaction to his mentor’s death.
In TFA, on the other hand, the director focused almost all of the attention on the interaction between Han and Kylo. The slow frame rate killed the scene. Just brutal. There were cutaway shots to Leia, Chew, and Rey, but they all failed for various reasons.
Slow frame rate? there was no slow frame rate in that scene. Slow framerate is used when Vader cuts down obi-wan, but not in TFA
Slow frame rate is bad in TFA, good in OT, everyone knows that.
TV’s Frink said:
My least favorite scene in ANH was when Vader kills Obi-Wan. That scene totally blows because it forced unnecessary emotion on us, because Obi dies with someone he’s only in one scene with.The scene wasn’t emotional because of Vader/Obi-Wan, it was emotional because of Luke/Obi-Wan. They had a lot of history together, on-screen, and Obi-Wan was Luke’s mentor.
That’s fair, but it doesn’t have to be on-screen to be effective. The effect that Kylo’s turn had on Han and Leia is obvious and we don’t need to see scenes between them and Kylo to understand it.
Plus, the scene with Han and Kylo features two good actors doing some good acting. It doesn’t work for you, but it worked for me.
I just saw the movie in 2D btw.
And I have some mixed feelings about it.
First of all , it’s a nice movie with lot’s of nice effects.
-Hell if it has robots and lasers, it’s always a good movie for me- 😃
But there are a lot of loose ends. wich probably will be explained in the sequals.
In the beginning of the movie, you had the scene with the rebel pilot and an old men.
He seemed to be important in a way, but the film never explained him.
I had to google him to get more info on him
Max von Sydow plays character called “Lor San Tekka” according to IMDb. He come’s back in eps 8
What’s the story about a piece of a map of Luke’s location?
It doesn’t seems logical. just 1 piece. And only R2D2 has the other parts of the map.
Can’t they not just compute with excisting maps the piece of the pilot’s map, so the location is found that way?
And how is this piece of map related into the story line?
Did luke send that piece to the rebels? So he wanted to be found???
questions.
About the stormtrooper Finn, It appears to be his first mission?
The new order mentioned that there were no problems with this unit , and he was “repaired” for something.
then later on, general hux mentions all of his troopers are trained for this from there childhood.
What’s this Finn doing in the picture, he magically get scared of the violence and fighting and decides to free this rebel pilot , just because it feels to be the good thing to do?
And what about Finn early training as a trooper, he would have had the same issuers before, not?
The only reason i can think of is that the killed stormtrooper who gives Finn the bloody helmet must be his loved one or some kind. Or from that point he is mind controlled (maybe jedi?) to do something good.
About the crashing of the tie fighter on the planet. the tie figher miraculously disappears in the sand, that blows up under ground for some reason. that’s makes no sense at all.
Kylo Ren seems to be the big villan with some awesome powers , freezing a laser blast? nice
But very quickely seems to have some issues with his powers when confronted with someone else with force powers… He seems to be very weak in force powers expressed.
2 people disruppted the jedi learnings of Luke skywalker toward jedi pupils. who’s the second one?
What’s the story about Rey?
She’s been abandoned on a desert planet. Why??
Did she got jedi training before? it seems soo.
Was she the second person I mentioned just before?
Maybe she is a pupil of the dark side, because her powers only appear when she’s angry.
if that’s the case, luke will force pull his lightsaber out of her hands and cut her to pieces 😃
I do have the feeling she’s a child from either Leia, or Luke.
the starkiller base? yeah lat’s make thing bigger and better right???
it needs to suck up a whole star to get enough energy to destroy planets?
The death star could do this without the sun sucking 😃
So it’s not better then a death star in my oppinion.
And how come it’s so badly protected again?
Captain Phasma (the shine chrome stormtrooper) just deactivates the shield under treath.
i gess the rest of the bridge crew didn’t notist this? right.
and ther were no other consoles to activate the shield again???
And what about the scene with general hux just before the star killer shoots?
Too much of a nazi reference to me. flaggs and stormtrooper greet.
Does that make the new order more evil?
Han solo is old.
it took a while to adapt to that fact.
but then again, i loved his apperaence in the movie.
It was one the best movie moments for me
he’s a bit slower the 30 years before 😃
what I don’t understand is that when Finn and Rey are hidding in the millinium falcon with the gasmasks on.
How did Han solo found them right away?
Maybe I missed some thing there in the movie (I was consuming a rather large bucket of ben and jerrys there =)
princess leia, was a surprise too, a bit in a negative way.
She too is old ofcoars. but her voice sounded too as an old granny.
She looked not very convinced in her role.
It seemed that her face was digitally retouched somehow.
Carry fisher was a very beautiful woman in her days, but maybe her depressions made a big mark in what she is today. I still have much respect for her. And loved her acting in the Blues brother movie too 😃
Han solo is death. or is he? we know they can fix alot of people up with robitic parts.
it seems H fort plays in eps8. but then again, maybe not.
i read somewhere that the next starwars movie to be released is a han solo spinoff soo we will see…
And just ONE other thing that bothered me…
WHAT HAPPENED TO HYPERSPEED ???
No mentioning of that in the movie. It’s all a bout LIGHTSPEED all of a sudden.
the systems must be ridiculously close to one eachother to travel a few minutes in lightspeed to get to another system right??
Does not compute here…
All in all, not a bad movie. But a lot has to be explained for ous.
TV’s Frink said:
My least favorite scene in ANH was when Vader kills Obi-Wan. That scene totally blows because it forced unnecessary emotion on us, because Obi dies with someone he’s only in one scene with.The scene wasn’t emotional because of Vader/Obi-Wan, it was emotional because of Luke/Obi-Wan. They had a lot of history together, on-screen, and Obi-Wan was Luke’s mentor. As soon as Vader strikes Obi-Wan down, which happens very quickly, there is a quick cut to Luke’s reaction. The director understood that the most important aspect of the scene was Luke’s reaction to his mentor’s death.
There were cutaway shots to Leia, Chew, and Rey, but they all failed for various reasons.
I can understand Finn and Rey’s reaction because they just met the man but Chewie’s and Leia’s are what make the scene to me. We’ve never seen Chewie let out such a tormented yell and Leia feeling Han’s death through The Force was especially heartfelt because this is probably the first time she touched The Force for anything other than tactical foresight in a decade or two. Also you might have well said “These reactions all failed because not OT” because you know that’s what you wanted to say.
Slow frame rate is bad in TFA, good in OT, everyone knows that.
So are plot conveniences but be careful who you say that around.
It isn’t the existence of those that bothers me, it’s the number and density of them at the beginning of TFA that I disliked. Had they been more spread out, and/or with a couple of them feeling less coincidental, it would have been far better.
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WHAT HAPPENED TO HYPERSPEED ???
Isn’t it Hyperspace when travelling at lightspeed?
It isn’t the existence of those that bothers me, it’s the number and density of them at the beginning of TFA that I disliked. Had they been more spread out, and/or with a couple of them feeling less coincidental, it would have been far better.
STAR WARS had a lot of plot conveniences
R2 and C3P0 happen to land somewhere conveniently on the side of the planet where Luke is
Then later when they’re separated they somehow conveniently meet up on the sandcrawler so they can be sold to Owen and Beru
Then the other Astromech poops out conveniently so that R2 can be purchased
Then Luke somehow conveniently finds part of Leia’s message while cleaning R2
and this doesn’t necessarily bother me because it’s just one of those things that has always been in Star Wars.
Totally true, and I agree it’s totally fine.
what I don’t understand is that when Finn and Rey are hidding in the millinium falcon with the gasmasks on.
How did Han solo found them right away?
Maybe I missed some thing there in the movie (I was consuming a rather large bucket of ben and jerrys there =)
Umm… Han suspected there would be people hidden on board and the first place he would look was the same place he himself hid once before. What’s so strange about that?
HyperNova said:
WHAT HAPPENED TO HYPERSPEED ???
No mentioning of that in the movie. It’s all a bout LIGHTSPEED all of a sudden.
Light speed was always a part of Star Wars vocabulary. Nothing wrong with that.
HyperNova said:
the systems must be ridiculously close to one eachother to travel a few minutes in lightspeed to get to another system right??
Does not compute here…
Again this has always been been the case in this franchise. We were never told how hyperspace travel works in this universe. It only took a short while to get from Tatooine to Alderaan or from Hoth to Dagobah.
HyperNova said:
And just ONE other thing that bothered me…
WHAT HAPPENED TO HYPERSPEED ???
No mentioning of that in the movie. It’s all a bout LIGHTSPEED all of a sudden.
?
1977;
“She’ll make point five past lightspeed.”
“How long before you can make the jump to lightspeed?”
“Go strap yourself in, I’m going to make the jump to lightspeed.”
1980;
“…they’ll dump their garbage before they go to lightspeed.”
“Lord Vader, the fleet has moved out of lightspeed”
"the hyperdrive motivator has been damaged. It’s impossible to go to lightspeed! "
Just a random thought:
I’ve seen people here and elsewhere mention Kylo Ren stopping the laser blast mid-air with the force as being different, or a little hard to swallow, or unusual, or whathaveyou. As if it’s some totally new use of the force that has no precedent and came out of left field. Not really outright complaints so much as just something that stood out and is taking some getting used to.
But I have to ask, do people not remember Darth Vader stopping Han Solo’s shots with the palms of his hands in ESB? It’s always been one of my favorite force uses as it just makes him seem completely unstoppable by mere mortals. Kylo’s display seems like a totally natural and logical extension/progression of that ability. And it was really cool too!
Just a random thought:
I’ve seen people here and elsewhere mention Kylo Ren stopping the laser blast mid-air with the force as being different, or a little hard to swallow, or unusual, or whathaveyou. As if it’s some totally new use of the force that has no precedent and came out of left field. Not really outright complaints so much as just something that stood out and is taking some getting used to.
But I have to ask, do people not remember Darth Vader stopping Han Solo’s shots with the palms of his hands in ESB? It’s always been one of my favorite force uses as it just makes him seem completely unstoppable by mere mortals. Kylo’s display seems like a totally natural and logical extension/progression of that ability. And it was really cool too!
Kylo Ren stopping the blaster bolt is just a beefier version of Tutaminis. I don’t even understand why it’s complaint.
It’s a bit showy, I’ll admit. I’m guessing that it was an Abrams decision rather than Kasdan’s. I can see why people criticise it, as actually freezing a blaster bolt in mid air isn’t something we’ve seen even Vader do. But if I wanted to justify it “in-universe”, I’d probably do so by pointing out that when Vader blocked blaster bolts, he caused them to dissipate/disappear. Maybe that requires a greater mastery of the force than just holding it in place temporarily.
Maybe? :p
Just a random thought:
I’ve seen people here and elsewhere mention Kylo Ren stopping the laser blast mid-air with the force as being different, or a little hard to swallow, or unusual, or whathaveyou. As if it’s some totally new use of the force that has no precedent and came out of left field. Not really outright complaints so much as just something that stood out and is taking some getting used to.
I didn’t like. It just feels “why didn’t Vader use the Force to guide the lasers in the Death Star or in the trench or why didn’t he stop the proton torpedos” etc. TESB scene was cool, and it was already at the end of the second film so we already knew that Vader was powerful. In TFA they showed the scene first so we were supposed to believe Kylo was powerful with the Force, and then at the end he was defeated. Just my 2 cents.
And in the time of greatest despair, there shall come a savior, and he shall be known as the Son of the Suns.
I can see why people criticise it, as actually freezing a blaster bolt in mid air isn’t something we’ve seen even Vader do.
Maybe he didn’t know the ability. Maybe it’s an ancient Sith Technique that only Snoke knows.
It doesn’t take a whole lot rationalize it.
It looks cool and I’m fine with that.
It’s not a usual blaster round anyway it might be part projectile.
The only time Vader gets shot it is by Han and I thought he just stopped it with his metal hand?
Stopping single blaster shot is not really the same as aiming the Death Star ray.