What didn't you like about TFA? SPOILERS — Page 10

Smoking Lizard said:

TV’s Frink said:

Do we know they were actually Jedi? As opposed to being in-training, or at the very least very inexperienced…the Jedi slaughtered in the PT were battle-tested and even Masters. Big difference.

True. That’s a fair point, but what was Luke doing for the past 30 years? Yoda told him to pass on what he had learned…did other things take priority? Does it take 30 years to train new Jedi?

Evidently not, considering it appears Rey has learned pretty much on her own…in ten minutes.

Luke wasn’t exactly a Master. Doing and teaching are also two different skills. Perhaps Luke wasn’t a good teacher.

As far as Rey’s journey to the Force goes, Luke learned almost as quickly. Granted he had a bit of teaching from Obi-Wan, but not much.

Post Praetorian said:

As for the remainder of Ren’s backward journey from powerful villain to simpering whelp…?

That’s hyperbole considering he was shot with a bowcaster but yes he’s definitely not as strong as we’re lead to believe in the beginning.

I am grudgingly allowing at this point that it was purposeful and might best provide a set-up for a stronger power incline in later films.

Snoke told Hux to get Kylo so that his training can be completed. Hopefully this will make the criticism dissipate into nothing but most likely it won’t. But I’m going to hope everyone will be pleased.

I’m beginning to think any future saga trilogy (inluding the current one) is an exercise in futility.

TFA was not a bad movie though I did just downgrade it from my original rating. The problem is that in terms of a saga, it can neither approach the same level of involvement or relatability from fans nor can it really stray much from the OT without being a completely different franchise. Basically everything that comes from a saga trilogy can be nothing but a weak attempt to beat or match the OT at its own game or a complete departure into a different galaxy like the PT.

Hope lies with the spinoffs.

luckydube56 said:

Hope lies with the spinoffs.

Even the Han Solo one?

TV’s Frink said:

Luke wasn’t exactly a Master. Doing and teaching are also two different skills. Perhaps Luke wasn’t a good teacher.

I suppose that’s possible. If so, all hope is lost for the Jedi. Oh, wait – no. Rey is good at everything, so she’ll succeed where Luke failed. So maybe she was the “there is another”? Oh, wait. She wasn’t born yet. But then maybe Yoda could see that far into the future. We just needed Luke to carry us past Darth Vader and the Emperor and then let Rey take over from there. Or something.

As far as Rey’s journey to the Force goes, Luke learned almost as quickly. Granted he had a bit of teaching from Obi-Wan, but not much.

I’m not so sure I agree with you on this point. In ANH, Luke was only beginning to discover the Force. Then there were 3 years between ANH and TESB, and I’m sure Luke practised every day. In fact, he probably went to the MF, got his remote lightsaber training ball…oh, wait…no he didn’t – Finn found that still aboard the MF, right where Luke left it. I guess Luke just shadow boxed instead.

Smoking Lizard said:

Oh, wait – no. Rey is good at everything, so she’ll succeed where Luke failed.

Maybe she’ll turn to the Dark Side

I watched jedi today just to compare what is deemed to be the worst of the OT to tfa and it is by far a better film, I hasten to add I watched the uot version. What is clear is that luke stokes a decent fire for Vader’s burial, there was no imperial troops at the celebrations so who pulled his molten helmet seemingly with remainder of his burnt skull within from the inferno. My seven year old gave comment she said if leia isba princess why isn’t luke a prince? She has a valid point haha

It annoyed me when ren keeps punching his wound, but perhaps this was to emphasise the reason rey wins the bout. One thing I noticed watching jedi (again) is paplatine was almost a carbon copy of Potter in its a wonderful life haha

Bosk said:

My seven year old gave comment she said if leia isba princess why isn’t luke a prince? She has a valid point haha…

Well…yes and no. I guess. If you go by the prequel crap, yes. But if you go by the OT, Leia is a princess by virtue of her adoptive parents. Luke is not.

Bosk said:

It annoyed me when ren keeps punching his wound, but perhaps this was to emphasise the reason rey wins the bout. One thing I noticed watching jedi (again) is paplatine was almost a carbon copy of Potter in its a wonderful life haha

That annoyed me too until I understood that he was doing it to exacerbate the anger in hatred inside of him. I initially thought he was doing it just to show off. Also he did this while fighting Finn and as we know Kylo demolished him.

imperialscum said:

The two lightsabre duels at the end were just stupid. They were there just for the sake of film having a lightsabre duel. And if they really had to make it like this, at least the dark side guy should kick both of their asses. And please spare your time, I really don’t want to hear dumb arguments such as: “but she practised with pole stick” or “he practised with stun baton”.

Kylo Ren suffered a wound to the chest by Chewi’s bowcaster. He simply shrugged it off and fought anyway. Also he whipped Finn’s ass. Rey was the only one who gave him trouble and that was only when she tapped into The Force.

Ren couldn’t pull the lightsaber to himself cause it flew to Rey.

imperialscum said:

Ahh why am I even trying to argue over this stupid thing.

Yep. Exactly. There’s no point. It is what is. Star Wars is finished, in my mind.

Danfun128 said:

Smoking Lizard said:

Hey! Check it out! It’s the new Darth Vader with the guy from KISS!

…Odd, he doesn’t look ugly like he does in the movie. Still doesn’t seem like someone who could have been the child of Han and Leia though.

I wouldn’t be so hard on the guy to call him ugly, but he’s just not imposing.

Vader is imposing because the actor, David Prowse, was imposing. He carries himself with the upright heft of a very confident competitive bodybuilder. Adam Driver, meanwhile, carries himself like one of those extremely tall, lanky kids in high school who were not athletic enough to play basketball. Very, very strange casting choice.

Ugly? I myself thought he was an absolute dreamboat.

I asked my wife about Adam Driver:

“Don’t know that he’s conventionally movie-star handsome, but he’s interesting looking, not unattractive, and by the way he’s half-naked in Girls all the time and ugly he’s not.”

Not sure how to feel about this…lol.