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Not to brag or anything, but I know the secret of life.

I also know about the universe and how it was created, what everything means etc... So, if anyone would like to have this sacred knowledge, ask and ye shall recieve!
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hitchhiker's guide.
"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent."
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yep 7 x 8 = 42 that is the secret to life the universe and everything.
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makes no sense.
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that is w quote from hedgehikers it is an inside joke. they spent 40 billion years to find the answer. then another 40 billion years to find the question. and then they realized that it didnt make sence.
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Love.

Love is the secret of life, because love is what created life.

Before life, the universe was one giant, empty, black piece of paper. In order for life to begin a hand had to touch the paper and draw on it.

Imagine if you will that the universe used to be a straight black line, like this -----------

In order for life to begin something had to invade the black line (our universe) and make an intrusion that would create something completely different and new in the universe. A "Big Bang"? Probably.

In algebra, when working with graphs, we are taught about intersecting lines. Well, in my opinion, something similar happened in the creation of the universe.

Imagine if you will that our universe was a line ------------ and was suddenly intersected by another line crossing its path. On a graph, it would look something like this........................\
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(pay no attention to the periods, this is the only way I could make it right)

If something intersected our universe (like the illustration above) then the universe would keep going on, except the intersecting line (object) would change the universe. In other words, it would create life in our universe.

The original line --------- that represents our universe also represents emptyness (hate). The intersecting line \ represents Creation (love)
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This bi-symbol reference is similar to the yinyang. We all know that 2 is an important number. We know that there are 2 halves to every whole, etc....

If you look at this intersection in another way it looks like a big "X" or a cross. The "X" and Cross were very important symbols to our ancient ancestors. Was this their way of describing life? or the Universe?

There are four points to the "X" and cross. 4 is the next most important number after the 2. There are four parts of the globe, north, south, east, west; there are four seasons, winter, spring, summer, fall. There are four limbs on human beings and most other creatures. Most vehicles use at least four wheels to travel on, etc.... The importance and symbolism of the number 4 is endless.

I also believe that as more lines intersect our universe they create alternate universes. If another line intersected my intersection from above then we would now have 3 lines and 6 points. The odd numbers are the ones that are always leading the even numbers, 3, 5, 7, etc... And we all know the importance of these and other numbers. 3 is considered a very important and lucky number. Most families consist of at least 3 members, a mother, a father, and a child. The child is the one leading the family, because he is the next in line to continue the legacy of his/her parents after they die. We have four limbs on our bodies, arms and legs, with a 5th object leading the way. The 5th object is the head and is the leader because the head holds the brain and controls the rest of the body. And of course, we all know the importance of the number 7.


My alternate universe theory:

I believe that humans have an invisible force (not exactly star wars) that guides them through their lives. Every second that pasts in a human being's life another footprint of their life is left behind in time. I believe human beings, and all creatures, have invisible souls that both stay one-step behind the human and one step forward. I call these things "dopplegangers". You cant see them but they're there. They are like neurons in the brain, because they constantly recieve and send information. Without neurons the brain would no longer be able to function properly. Without doppelgangers humans would no longer be able to function either.

Consider, if you will, the dotted line from the intersection above. The center of the intersection is the vertex and represents the human being (or life in general). Both behind and in front of the vertex are more dotted lines. These dots are the same as the doppelgangers in humans. The dots stay both ahead and behind of the vertex. The dots (doppelgangers) that stay behind the vertex (human) represent the footprints that the vertex has left behind. They stay behind because the vertex no longer needs them (kind of like dead skin cells). The dots that are in front of the vertex represent the future dots that the vertex will eventually become. The dots in front of the vertex have the most important job because these dots must constantly check the future and avoid all obstacles that stand in the vertex's way. If the vertex runs into one of these obstacles (the intersecting line) then the vertex will either change or die. Kind of like a road running into a dead end. In order for the dots (doppelgangers) to avoid the future obstacle that stands in the vertex's (human's) path, then the dots must go back in time and change the vertex's path so that the emminent danger is removed. Thus an alternate universe is created to make sure that the new vertex avoids the obstacle and continues on with its normal life. But the old vertex (our universe) will still hit the obstacle (intersecting line) and enter into a new existence (creation).

I believe the same thing happens to human beings on a daily basis. I believe that when a human dies their old self will die, but their new self will continue on. The doppelgangers in front of the human, that constantly check the future, will go back in time and change the human's life. This is what I think deja vu is! When we experience deja vu we are actually going back in time and re-experiencing a minor point in our lives so that our future self will continue to live. In other words: if you die in this lifetime, everyone you knew will think you are dead in your previous universe, but in your new, alternate universe you will continue to live.

If this act of going back in time (or deja vu) appeared on the intersection illustration above, it would look something like this:

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Does this symbol to look familiar to you? Its an ancient egyptian Ank! The vertical line from below the illustration represents the human being (universe), the horizontal line represents the brick wall that the being hits. The circle above the illustration represents the dots (or doppelgangers) going back in time to change the course of the universe.
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im sorry... but first of all, that looks like a little more than the half of an Egyptian Ankh.

love is creation? what about destruction, that is also creation.

im a bit sceptic, i must admit, but you did make some interesting points, but im still sceptic.
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That's the best way I could draw the ank given the lack of resources here. Although the illustration lacks certain detail of the ank, generally its pretty acurate. When you look at the ank from a distance all it is is just 2 lines with a circle or oval on top.

You're right, destruction is also a part of creation. But creation makes life, and destruction destroys it. The vertex in my illustration is what our universe is. What the universe (vertex) was before was nothing but black, empty space (destruction). The intersecting line represents love. When both of things collided together they created our universe (the vertex)
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so what youre trying to tell me is that time had a start? hmm...
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In other words: if you die in this lifetime, everyone you knew will think you are dead in your previous universe, but in your new, alternate universe you will continue to live.


I've thought of that once, too. I had this other crazy theory of mine, that we are forever trapped in a continous life loop. Imagine that your life is a ruler. In the final milimiter of that ruler, almost ending it... if we zoom in, we see another ruler, identical to the other one. The thing is, moments before you "die", on those 2 nanoseconds, you watch your whole life passing before your eyes, and you re-experience your whole life again, and when you approach death again, you re-experience it again... and again... like, recursivity. That way, we never die, we are trapped forever in our own life.

But then again... there is no such nonsense. No one loves anyone, we just like to be near people that make us feel better with ourselves. There is no God, or afterlife, or love, or meaning to life. Life is taxes and death. Ok, you can stop paying your taxes and go to jail, but death always remains. There is no fraking point, it's: born - suffering, suffering, suffering - death.
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that is w quote from hedgehikers it is an inside joke. they spent 40 billion years to find the answer. then another 40 billion years to find the question. and then they realized that it didnt make sence.


And it's the answer to "how many roads must a man cross before he is called a man"... love that book. They are going to make a movie out of it, you know...
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But then again... there is no such nonsense. No one loves anyone, we just like to be near people that make us feel better with ourselves. There is no God, or afterlife, or love, or meaning to life. Life is taxes and death. Ok, you can stop paying your taxes and go to jail, but death always remains. There is no fraking point, it's: born - suffering, suffering, suffering - death.



weltschmerz? much?
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In other words: if you die in this lifetime, everyone you knew will think you are dead in your previous universe, but in your new, alternate universe you will continue to live.


I've thought of that once, too. I had this other crazy theory of mine, that we are forever trapped in a continous life loop. Imagine that your life is a ruler. In the final milimiter of that ruler, almost ending it... if we zoom in, we see another ruler, identical to the other one. The thing is, moments before you "die", on those 2 nanoseconds, you watch your whole life passing before your eyes, and you re-experience your whole life again, and when you approach death again, you re-experience it again... and again... like, recursivity. That way, we never die, we are trapped forever in our own life.

But then again... there is no such nonsense. No one loves anyone, we just like to be near people that make us feel better with ourselves. There is no God, or afterlife, or love, or meaning to life. Life is taxes and death. Ok, you can stop paying your taxes and go to jail, but death always remains. There is no fraking point, it's: born - suffering, suffering, suffering - death.


That's pretty much what I'm saying, except I dont understand what you mean by "No one loves anymore". It doesnt matter if people actually love each other or not. Hell, everyone in the world could be hate-filled bastards, but that still doesnt mean that life didn't come from love. If you were in a dark, cold cavern, and lit a fire, that action would be like filling a black space with life and creating our modern universe. Love is warm, life is warm, love expresses emotion, life expresses emotion, love is energetic, and life is energetic. Emptyness, on the other hand, is neither warm, emotional, expressive, or energetic.
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I find this interesting:

Ankh

In my theory above I stated that the vertex of the intersection not only represented our universe but also the human being. I also said that the doppelgangers (future selves) of the human were constantly checking the future and avoiding all dangerous obstacles by going back in time and changing the future course of the human. When the doppelgangers move away from the human being and into the future they are actually moving out and away from the vertex (human). When the doppelgangers see that danger is ahead they turn around and head back towards the vertex to change future events right in front of the vertex.

I also said that if this event had a physical appearance it would look much like an ancient Egyptian Ankh. Like this:



Notice how the oval on the Ankh looks like a U-turn, and ends up back in the same place from which it came......in the vertex.

Well, according to the description from the link above, the ancient Egyptian Ankh represents eternal life. Which is what my theory suggests. But I wrote my theory before I knew what the Ankh meant. Also, in the link, they say that the ancient egyptians made mirrors in the form of Ankhs and believed that life and death were reflections of each other. This is exactly what I was saying in my theory.

I believe that ancient symbols have alot of meaning. I dont, however, believe in the popular notion that ancient people were superstitious fools.

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avoiding all dangerous obstacles by going back in time and changing the future course of the human.


and the people that die of accidents... how do you explain that?

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What the universe (vertex) was before was nothing but black, empty space (destruction). The intersecting line represents love. When both of things collided together they created our universe (the vertex)


errr...?? and that is your theory of the Big Bang? what was there before love? where did love come from?

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No, I'm saying that creation had a start.


but time existed before your "creation", so that would mean that there has been creation before your "creation".
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and the people that die of accidents... how do you explain that?


I dont believe in accidents. I believe that everything has a meaning and was already pre-programmed into our universe like a computer. The doppelgangers in my theory are constantly checking the future. When they see that something destructive is going to occur that could end the life of the host, then they go back in time (which could be just millions of seconds away) and change the course of events. The old self of the host (human) will die in the accident, but the new self of the host will continue to live on in a new, alternate, universe where everything seems as it was before. This is where I think deja vu happens. When we are doing something normal, like standing in a grocery store, and all of a sudden we feel deja vu we are actually re-experiencing a quick and minor event of our past. This is because the doppelgangers have gone back in time and planted unconscious wisdom into our minds that help us avoid the future obstacle; like the neurons in the brain. This knowledge of impending death may never be clear to us, just as there are plenty of information in our memories which we fail to remember from days gone by.

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errr...?? and that is your theory of the Big Bang? what was there before love? where did love come from?


That's just one of those things we will never be able to explain. The problem is: how does something (love) emerge out of nothingness? It could be that both love and emptyness existed in completely seperate realms and somehow intersected each other and created our known universe. Or it could be that the emptyness that used to be our universe got tired of being empty and decided to express itself by creating something, like love. But how could it do that if it has no energy? Not sure.

I do believe, however, that the first piece of life in our universe was nothing more than a speck of light that gradually grew into a star, exploded, and created what we have now--which is just a pile of rocks floating around in outer space.

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but time existed before your "creation", so that would mean that there has been creation before your "creation".


You're right, time did exist before my creation, and will continue to exist after it. Why? Because time isn't physical, and therefore, its endless. But since life is physical it does have a beginning and end.....at least on this plain. My theory is about the beginnings of life, not time.

If you looked at a number line you'll see that the zero is right in the center and numbers on both sides of it counting up, positive on the right side and negative on the left. This is the exact same thing if you look at a cross-shaped graph +. In the center of the graph is the vertex, which is (0,0). Imagine, if you will, that this vertex represents our known universe consisting of planets, satelites, stars, rocks, comets, etc... Everything outside of the vertex represents the blackness that engulfs our universe, also known as outer space.

When you look up at night what do you see? Besides stars, you will see black emptyness. This is because outer space is nothing more than a blank piece of paper that has yet to be filled up with images. Our known universe is one of these images and exists right in the center of space (the vertex). Our known universe is contanstly expanding out away from the center of space and seperating itself into more images (planets, stars, etc..). Hopefully, someday, that black emptyness in space will be nearly filled up with vast landscape, which is what it should be.

The only way time can ever take physical shape is through numerical symbols, like 1,2,3,4, etc... Numerical symbols are not physical, but other things are. Numbers were created when our ancestors needed a way to determine how many objects of the same thing they had. For example: a man starts out with one apple. He has one apple. But if he found another apple would he still say "I have an apple". No, he would have to say "I have 2 apples". And that's how numbers came about. Therefore, you could say that "physical time" in our universe actually had a beginning, but "non-physical time", because it was, always will be, eternal!

For instance:

In my theory I said that our previous universe was just one thing. 1 is an odd number and is the leader of the rest of the numbers. You could say that number 1 in our physical time started with our previous universe. But we wouldn't be able to apply non-physical time to determine when the universe was created and when it seperated into halves, because it would be almost imposible to know when this happened.

When love came through our previous universe and intersected with it, it split our previous universe into halves. One half was outer space, the other half was life (ex. a speck of light). We now have the physical representation of the number "2"! When the speck of light expanded and exploded, and created our modern universe, it caused more intersections that created more alternate universes, and thus more numbers. This is because the doppelgangers in the speck of light went back in time to the vertex (heart) of the individual speck of light and created an alternate universe to avoid death of the star. What we are living in now is the universe in which the star exploded and created everything we have now. There is a universe in which the star still exists as one whole thing, but we cant see it.

Look at this in another way: have you ever seen John Carpenter's "The Thing". In that movie, when the alien's body is damaged, its individual cells struggle to keep the monster alive by seperating, fighting for survival, etc... Consider my "doppelgangers" to be the exact same thing. Our doppelgangers are constantly looking for ways to keep us alive. Thus when someone dies in an accident, it creates an alternate universe in which the person continues to live. And eventhough the person didn't see the accident coming.....their doppelgangers saw it coming a mile away.

Take a look at this:



This is another good way of showing my theory of creation. Consider that the clear pyramid represents our previous universe. Consider that the ray of light represents love (life). When the ray of light intersects the pyramid from one side, what comes out of the other? It creates something beautiful, like our known universe.
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errr... ok, where to start?

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I believe that everything has a meaning and was already pre-programmed into our universe like a computer.


so you dont believe in free will? because that is exactly what you are saying.

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But since life is physical it does have a beginning and end.....at least on this plain. My theory is about the beginnings of life, not time.


didnt you say that our life was endless?

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Hopefully, someday, that black emptyness in space will be nearly filled up with vast landscape, which is what it should be.


i certainly hope not!!! that would spell destruction for the entire universe...

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If you looked at a number line you'll see that the zero is right in the center and numbers on both sides of it counting up, positive on the right side and negative on the left.


since numbers are infinite, there is no "middle".

another thing just occured to me; where did love come from when noone actually loved at the time? i mean, we Homo Sapiens, didnt love or even know what love is/was until very recently...
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Take a look at this:



This is another good way of showing my theory of creation. Consider that the clear pyramid represents our previous universe. Consider that the ray of light represents love (life). When the ray of light intersects the pyramid from one side, what comes out of the other? It creates something beautiful, like our known universe.


I've never thought that a Pink floyd album cover would be used to explain the creation of the universe in a SW message board. Things are getting so weird, lately...
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No, I dont believe in free will. Every decision we make is based on external factors. Everything that we know, every opinion we have is learned through experience laid down during life from outer sources. Everything that we learn comes from an outside influence, and not our own. Our parents, peers, guardians etc... all helped form our current opinions and ideas. And they all learned what they knew from their ancestors, and their ancestors learned what they knew from external sources. Ancient man could've got the idea of the wheel simply by observing the moon or other naturally rounded objects. Hell, even the theory I offered here on this thread is based on information and symbolism already conjured up. When a music composer composes music, is he really creating brand new music? Nope. The music was already in the keys. The composer simply had to find it. Was electricity invented by anyone? Nope. People like Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Edison merely discovered ways of harnessing it. Everything is already in existence, all we have to do is grasp it!

When someone decides to make a turn at an intersection, are they really using free will? No, because whatever decision they make is based on an external factor. Things that can affect their decisions include visiting a friend's house, visiting family, going out of town, or just cruising around, etc.... Either way, all of these things can affect a person's judgement. If someone decides to go cruising around in a car, then we must ask "What inspired their decision". Was it boredom or something else? These things can also have an affect on someone's decision-making.

If there was such a thing as independent thought, then we would all be vegetables.

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didnt you say that our life was endless?


Yes, but not on this plain. Everything physical can have a beginning and an end, but living things will continue to live through alternate universes. You see, what we are all living in now is simply just one universe out of too-many-to-count. This alternate reality had a beginning and end just like the others did. When our doppelgangers change the course of our lives they are actually creating a completely new universe. Although our physical bodies will die here in this universe, our conciousness will continue on in other universes.

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i certainly hope not!!! that would spell destruction for the entire universe...


I dont see how that can happen. When something is created it can cause death, but it can also cause rebirth. When the earth was first created its unlikely any human being could've lived on its surface. But through evolution humans have been made and can now live on the earth.

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since numbers are infinite, there is no "middle".


Yes they are infinite, but the zero represents the last of the numbers because it is literally Nothing. And if you have numbers extending out from both sides of zero, positive and negative, and they go on forever, then the zero is in the middle of them.I simply used the graphical numberline as an example to help explain my theory. If you have nothing (zero) and make something (1) out of it, then you have two things.....the previous universe (zero) and our known universe (the number 1). If you split up one object (our known universe) then you create many more objects (alternate universes). If our known universe is at the center of the previous universe, then our known universe will keep expanding out from the center endlessly just like numbers.

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another thing just occured to me; where did love come from when noone actually loved at the time? i mean, we Homo Sapiens, didnt love or even know what love is/was until very recently...


When I say that "love created life" I'm not saying that living creatures actually had to feel love in their hearts. I'm saying that life itself is love. Love is the mirror image of Death. Love is living, but death is nothing. Just because living creatures dont actually feel love doesnt mean that they weren't created through love. Love is just living energy.
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Originally posted by: ricarleiteI've never thought that a Pink floyd album cover would be used to explain the creation of the universe in a SW message board. Things are getting so weird, lately...


That album cover was based on Isacc Newton's prism experiment.
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Take a look at this picture motti:




Do you see the center where the arrow is pointing? On a numerical graph that would be (0,0), which is also the vertex. Consider that that represents our known universe.

Consider that one of the lines in the diagram represents our previous universe, and consider that the other line represents love (life). When the love-line intersects the previous universe-line it creates a vertex where both of the lines are conjoined. Well, if the lines intersected right in the middle and created our known universe then that would mean that time existed both before and after our universe. The negative numbers behind the 0 on a number line represents the time that has already gone by (which is endless) before our known universe was created in the vertex. The positive numbers in front of the 0 represent the time that has yet to happen after the creation of our universe. If you look at this in a 3-dimensional perspective then the universe really is in the center and time and numbers do expand out in all directions.

That's just a symbolic example.
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no free will? fine, this conversation is over.

im sorry SES, it was fun, but i cant talk to someone who thinks his life isnt governed by himself.
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no free will? fine, this conversation is over.

im sorry SES, it was fun, but i cant talk to someone who thinks his life isnt governed by himself.


There is no free will, it's an ilusion. This is from "Waking Life", one of my favorite movies, and it sums it up quite well:

"In a way, in our contemporary world view, it's easy to think that science has come to take the place of God. But some philosophical problems remain as troubling as ever. Take the problem of free will. This problem has been around for a long time, since before Aristotle in 350 B.C. St. Augustin, St. Thomas Aquinas, these guys all worried about how we can be free if God already knows in advance everything we're going to do. Nowadays, we know that the world operates according to some fundamental physical laws, and these laws govern the behavior of every object in the world. These laws, because they are so trustworthy, they enable incredible technological achievements. But look at yourself. We're just physical systems too, right? We're just complex arrangements of carbon molecules. We're mostly water. And our behavior isn't going to be an exception to these basic physical laws. So it starts to look like whether its God setting things up in advance, and knowing everything you're going to do, or whether it's these basic physical laws governing everything, there's not a lot of room left for freedom.

So you might try to just ignore the question, ignore the mystery of free will, and say, oh well, it's just an historical anecdote, it's sophomoric, it's a question with no answer, just forget about it. But the question keeps staring you in the face. Think about individuality for example. Who you are is mostly a matter of the free choices that you make. Or take responsibility. You can only be held responsible, you can only be found guilty, or you can only be admired and respected for things you did of your own free will. So the question keeps coming back. And we don't really have a solution to it. It starts to look like all our decisions are really just a charade. Think about how it happens. There's some electrical activity in your brain, your neurons fire, they send a signal down into your nervous system, it passes along down into your muscle fibers, they twitch, you might reach out your arm. It looks like it's a free action on your part, but every part of that process is actually governed by physical laws, chemical laws, electrical laws, and so on. So now it starts to look like the big bang set up the initial conditions, and the whole rest of human history, and even before, is really just the playing out of subatomic particles according to these basic fundamental physical laws. We think we're special. We think we have some kind of special dignity, but that now comes under threat. That's really challenged by this picture.

So you might be saying, well, wait a minute. What about quantum mechanics? I know enough contemporary physical theory to know it's not really like that. It's really a probabilistic theory. There's room. It's loose. It's not deterministic. And that's going to enable us to understand free will. But if you look at the detail, it's not really going to help because what happens is you have some very small quantum particles, and their behavior is apparently a bit random, they sort of swerve, their behavior is absurd in the sense that its unpredictable, and we can't understand it based on anything that came before. It just does something out of the blue according to a probabilistic framework. But is that going to help with freedom? I mean, should our freedom be just a matter of probabilities, just some random swerving in a chaotic system? That starts to seem like it's worse. I'd rather be a gear in a big deterministic physical machine than just some random swerving.

So we can't just ignore the problem. We have to find room in our contemporary world view for persons with all that that entails. Not just bodies, but persons. That means trying to solve the problem of freedom, finding room for choice and responsibility, and trying to understand individuality."
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