What didn't you like about TFA? SPOILERS — Page 8

Hmmm, and there was the “I’d just as soon kiss a wookiee.”

[Padme said:]

I was watching a show called The Evolution of the Lightsaber Duel recently and mark hamill said darth vader was originally supposed to say “obi wan killed your father” but they changed the line to say “I am your father” unbeknownst to hamill. Just thought that was an interesting aside.

From a certain point of view he did. In the sense that he cut off all his limbs, left him near a lake of lava and watched him slowly cook without using the Force (which can lift spaceships and support collapsed ceilings) to take him to a place of safety, where he could attend to his wounds and try to turn him back to the side of goodness and not domestic abuse and child murder. At least Han gave that a go in this one.

Bingowings said:

5.Having Ren take his mask off before that scene with Han. The reveal that the mask is essentially cosplay because he wants to copy his poweful grandfather who needed to wear a mask is a character note that should go with that scene.

Oh, holy crap. I hadn’t even begun to envision edits that would work with the existing material, but this one nails an issue completely. It might be unpleasant to the audience who will probably always be expecting a genuine horror underneath the mask at such an apex moment, but structurally it makes so much more sense, especially explaining in that same moment why Han still regards him as his son.

Wow. Good job.

Smoking Lizard said:

• Kylo Ren and the First Order round up the innocent villagers and are setting the village on fire. When Kylo comes to question Poe, Poe deems it appropriate to crack jokes at Ren. No, Poe, don’t, you know, maybe BEG for mercy for the villagers and insist that they’re innocent. Nah. Crack jokes instead.

Am I the only one who remembers someone mentioning Poe being the son of someone important? I could have sworn it was implied he was Han’s son, making this a snarky remark in defiance of his little brother’s attempt at being a badass. Someone correct me on this, I haven’t seen it more than once.

• Oh, yeah! What about Poe Dameron? Why did he just leave Jakku without finding BB-8 first? It was a critical mission AND HE JUST LEFT?! When he got back to the Resistance planet did Leia come up and say, “Well?” and he said, “Well, what?” and she said, “Did you get the message I sent you to retrieve?” and he said, “Oh, snap!”?!

lol yeah busted

• So in 30 years Luke trained ZERO new Jedis? Ren somehow killed them ALL?!

Yeah seems implausible to me too 😕

Ideally we find there’s a bit more nuance than that in future.

Alderaan said:

That stromtrooper sabre scene was cringeworthy. Just brutal.

I actually thought it was cool, tech should have evolved somewhat. And clearly specialized troopers are a fixture of this new empire group. It was startling that a lightsaber wasn’t just magically lethal, I think deriding it just because it was obviously cool is kind of paranoid. Not everything that is cool is inauthentic 9_9

Smoking Lizard said:

And the scene is even made sillier when you think of this: Why would a stormtrooper even be armed with a melee weapon that can CONVENIENTLY deflect lightsaber blades? Before you say, “So they can fight the Jedi!”, the Jedi are extinct (except for Luke). So they pose no threat. Why would your foot soldiers be armed with such an impractical weapon?

This is just yet another case of, “Let’s throw a lot of really ‘cool’ sh!t on the screen!” without any regard for whether or not the “cool” sh!t makes any sense.

This is just BS. Military units carry specialists often. A sniper might be attached to a combat group even not knowing for certain long distance targets will be present. This isn’t an excuse either; again, it is clear that this new empire has invested more in its troopers, which is good, because previously they were fodder junk, and we’ve mocked them for years as a result.

Smoking Lizard said:

TV’s Frink said:

Let me know when you can link to a video explaining how quicksand works on Jakku.

This is where we get into the ugly realm of what is possible vs. what is plausible. Unfortunately, it seems that some folks here aren’t able or aren’t willing to discern the difference.

You either read nothing of what we even at this crude time know of geology on other planets or you are just leaving it out of the discussion. Do we even know that the desert on Jakku is silica? How? Do all deserts behave the same regardless of the mineral content? And in any case, the fact that these sands are treacherous was mentioned earlier in the film. Come on, man, your tone assumes an air of critical remove but most of us are smart enough to see that you’re just here to stir things up, because your arguments are transparently stupid. You are a very poor critic.

By the way, I just want to make it understood that most of Smoking Lizard’s complaints were disgruntled nonsense. It isn’t even a matter of opinion, most of those comments just demonstrated a lack of attention span watching the events of the story. Not to mention a bias that was astronomical. And the fact that Smoking Lizard wrote such a stupidly long list will virtually guarantee that no one will take the enormous quantity of time to refute all of the points, especially considering that given their disposition, it is unlikely that any point will be conceded.

So that troll gets fed just these tiny crumbs (and will probably go frantically raving around for more, but that would happen anyway).

Alderaan said:

One of the worst parts of the film was when the CGI prequel monsters got loose on Han’s freighter. That whole part of the film was not Star Wars. The tone was wrong. Anyone else feel the same?

Yeah. I think it can be edited better though, and lost total minutes replaced with some deleted footage. The concept wasn’t wrong at all, but the execution was off. I think more than anything it was the bad guys, their scene was like some shitty scene in a SciFi network schlock show.

luckydube56 said:

I didnt like how Chewie walked right past Leia after returning from their mission where Han dies. Are they strangers?

THIS. So much.

TV’s Frink said:

Before anyone goes ape over that statement, it’s absolutely fine to not like TFA, and I have some issues with it myself. But my god some of the bending over backwards just trying to justify hating TFA by some (not all) here is amazing.

+1000. I didn’t know this was… oh wait. This is the hater’s honeypot. Bosk basically made this to attract Smoking Lizard.

Oh my god. They’re both lizards. This is their breeding ground.

WE HAVE TO GET OUT

John Doom said:

He’s still bitter because he didn’t get a medal.

SilverWook said:

They had a secret love affair for quite some time. It all fell apart after some rather compromising images were leaked by the First Order for propaganda purposes…

You guys are a riot. It does explain all the awkwardness.

In all seriousness, the scene where Chewie walks past Leia seems a gigantic omission on the part of Abrams. I mean we were all expecting the tears to start flowing when Chewie approaches Leia and she looks past him eyes scanning for Han and realizing he is not there. We didnt get that though. Very strange and to me the one and only truly unforgivable thing. I demand a director’s cut with CG tears.

Other than that, the other criticisms from me you can chalk up to scars of cynicism brought on by adulthood. It’s still a pretty good movie that I kind of actually like. 😃

luckydube56 said:

In all seriousness, the scene where Chewie walks past Leia seems a gigantic omission on the part of Abrams. I mean we were all expecting the tears to start flowing when Chewie approaches Leia and she looks past him eyes scanning for Han and realizing he is not there.

She knows the moment he’s killed. They show her reaction when it happens.

TV’s Frink said:

luckydube56 said:

In all seriousness, the scene where Chewie walks past Leia seems a gigantic omission on the part of Abrams. I mean we were all expecting the tears to start flowing when Chewie approaches Leia and she looks past him eyes scanning for Han and realizing he is not there.

She knows the moment he’s killed. They show her reaction when it happens.

I know. I’m speaking to the fact there is no shared empathetic moment between her and Chewie in particular…the 2 people in this galaxy who should care about Han Solo above all others. Yet no shared moment.

I understand that part, buy you said “she looks past him eyes scanning for Han and realizing he is not there.”

TV’s Frink said:

I understand that part, buy you said “she looks past him eyes scanning for Han and realizing he is not there.”

Yes. That in conjunction with the shared moment. She has that moment but she has it with Rey. And Chewie is just a complete stranger to her in that moment.

Sigh. I understand all of that. I give up.

TV’s Frink said:

Sigh. I understand all of that. I give up.

Soooo…I win?

Probably not, Frink is intellectually superior.

luckydube56 said:

TV’s Frink said:

Sigh. I understand all of that. I give up.

Soooo…I win?

If winning is all you love, then that’s what you’ll receive.

boredom3031 said:

Probably not, Frink is intellectually superior.

Sarcasm I hope, the film has bigger holes in it than leia ignoring chewie, I think the entire script is awful.

Bosk, boredom3031 was mocking Fink, but it went right over your head. Which kind of made Fink’s point for him. Please don’t make his points for him anymore. Thanks!

Bosk said:

boredom3031 said:

Probably not, Frink is intellectually superior.

Sarcasm I hope, the film has bigger holes in it than leia ignoring chewie, I think the entire script is awful.

Show me bigger holes than I’ve experienced at the bar, and I might agree.

Some people think they are more clever than they really are.

Bosk said:
Why does Ren bother to wear a mask?

He wears the mask for instilling fear even though he isn’t all that powerful yet. He’s also doing it because Granddaddy Vader did.

Bosk said:

2. The poor humour

Seriously? 3/3 times I saw the film people were in the theater laughing their asses off. Not only that but even people who nitpicked the movie more then you did seemed to have no problem with the comedy in the film.

Bosk said:
Why does Ren worship Vader

Read Lords of The Sith and you’ll understand

Bosk said:
Where did Snoke come from?

I don’t know but how is this on a list of bad things about TFA? We didn’t know shitall about Palpatine in the OT so why is it now an issue that we don’t know anything about Snoke? Also most importantly does the plot require us to know all about Snoke now? Absolutely not because that needs to take place in the sequels

Bosk said:
The seemingly endless Falcon shots.

Implying there weren’t a lot of Falcon shots in the OT. Also this is a nitpick and considering some of the other stuff on this list that’s saying a lot

Bosk said:
All the rehashed stuff from OT, chess table

Seeing as how this takes place only 30 years later in the same Galaxy things, people or places are bound to be referenced to

Smoking Lizard said:

DominicCobb said:

Do you complain about every aspect of every movie you watch or just this one?

Just bad ones.

I don’t know how Kylo Ren freezing a blaster bolt in midair is a bad thing.

Lord Haseo said:

I don’t know how Kylo Ren freezing a blaster bolt in midair is a bad thing.

Corny? Sure, it appeals big to the 10-year-olds and the hardened comic book readers in the audience, but for many of the fans of the original, un-specialized trilogy, it’s over the top.

There’s this fine line in space fantasy movies: It’s OK to stretch the imagination, but it’s easy to go too far and then insult the intelligence. Cool quickly becomes silly.

There is a subtlety to the Force in the first two movies. The Force grants powers that aren’t so, well, garish, for lack of a better word. But now, it seems, anything goes.

Star Wars is fast approaching Sharknado.

Smoking Lizard said:

Lord Haseo said:

I don’t know how Kylo Ren freezing a blaster bolt in midair is a bad thing.

Corny? Sure, it appeals big to the 10-year-olds and the hardened comic book readers in the audience, but for many of the fans of the original, un-specialized trilogy, it’s over the top.

There’s this fine line in space fantasy movies: It’s OK to stretch the imagination, but it’s easy to go too far and then insult the intelligence. Cool quickly becomes silly.

There is a subtlety to the Force in the first two movies. The Force grants powers that aren’t so, well, garish, for lack of a better word. But now, it seems, anything goes.

Star Wars is fast approaching Sharknado.

I can understand if Kylo used the Force to transform into a monster or something but freezing a blasterbolt midair is not even that big a jump from tutaminis.

Kylo’s abilities could have been below Darth Vader’s without any trouble to the plot. If this ST happens in a sort of “dark age” after the fall of the Empire, then all abilities should be somewhat diminished.

Like a scientist in the Middle Ages, Kylo could have been inferior to all his predecessors, have worshiped the knowledge of older ages and desperately try to reach it while still being considerably superior to his peers in the time he lived in.

It’s not an objective failure of the movie though, but more of an absolutely subjective I would have done it differently.

Mithrandir said:

Kylo’s abilities could have been below Darth Vader’s without any trouble to the plot. If this ST happens in a sort of “dark age” after the fall of the Empire, then all abilities should be somewhat diminished.

Like a scientist in the Middle Ages, Kylo could have been inferior to all his predecessors, have worshiped the knowledge of older ages and desperately try to reach it while still being considerably superior to his peers in the time he lived in.

It’s not an objective failure of the movie though, but more of an absolutely subjective I would have done it differently.

Or what’s even more likely is that Snoke is ancient and had been teaching Kylo ancient Sith techniques