How can I have been a member on this forum for nearly 10 years and never seen the skyscraper meme!? I feel enlightened.
What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.
RU.08 said:
I don’t care how the special effects team does it, they can use CGI or a puppet or a man in a mask or do whatever they want. My point was that you don’t want it to look fake. You don’t want people to roll their eyes and say “lifeless puppet” or “CGI” or “Halloween mask” etc!I ask you this, though: has there been a single sci-fi/fantasy movie in the past fifteen years or so that featured a major character that wasn’t an actor in a costume that achieved this? I suppose Gollum would be the one, but my reaction to him was always more “Jesus, that’s impressive CGI” rather than “I can’t tell if that’s CGI”. He’s sort of the Yoda puppet of CGI. Effects almost always look like effects, that’s just the reality we’re in.
I understand this Snork guy is just one of few CGI characters in the movie, and yeah the story it’s more important (except less then 25% of it is actually original, but whatever), but I still don’t get it: the PT was constantly criticized for its CGI puppets (especially Yoda), but now for TFA all of this suddenly is just… fine? Honestly I agree with RU.08 and, considering Snork looks a lot like the Emperor in ROTJ, I don’t see why they couldn’t use a real guy in costume (with just a few fixes in CGI if actually needed).
The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201
If he looks as bad in person as he did in the hologram, I’ll be right there with you.
I loved it! Then the following day as I thought it over, I started to find the lack of originality a bit bothering and began to nit pick as many have done here. So, I saw it again a couple of days later and was delighted to find that none of that stuff bothered me in the slightest while I was watching it and I loved it just as much the second time.
The film is not perfect and shows us very little that we haven’t seen before, but I found it thoroughly entertaining none the less. I loved the new characters (Snoke being a possible exception, not sure about him yet) and am very excited about seeing the next chapter. I just hope for some slightly more courageous writing for episode 8.
I agree that Snoke took me right out of the movie. And if you’re suggesting that they would have been better off going down the puppet route, I agree with that too. Yoda was so good they tried to get Frank Oz nominated for an Oscar but the academy wouldn’t have it.
I don’t care how the special effects team does it, they can use CGI or a puppet or a man in a mask or do whatever they want. My point was that you don’t want it to look fake. You don’t want people to roll their eyes and say “lifeless puppet” or “CGI” or “Halloween mask” etc!
I wouldn’t have minded a Revill style animal/mask/gender swap mashup seeing as it’s just a hologram and hopefully not what the real character looks like. Episode VIII has got to have a shock horror reveal if it’s going to slavishly copy the OT to the extent that TFA did.
If he looks as bad in person as he did in the hologram, I’ll be right there with you.
Right, Snoke could be a CGI rendering of a hologram of a Star Wars’ CGI avatar of someone 😄
I get his hologram in TFA may not be his true self, but why would he specifically want to look like CGI? In TFA alone, it’s still a pretty bad special effect :\
Bingowings said:
[…] Episode VIII has got to have a shock horror reveal if it’s going to slavishly copy the OT to the extent that TFA did.
If Ep.VIII is going for the ANH/TFA route again, I will no doubt completely avoid it 😄
The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201
If Ep.VIII is going for the ANH/TFA route again, I will no doubt completely avoid it 😄
I bet you $5000 that you watch Episode VIII no matter what.
War does not make one great.
I ask you this, though: has there been a single sci-fi/fantasy movie in the past fifteen years or so that featured a major character that wasn’t an actor in a costume that achieved this?
Yes, the CGI T-Rex in Jurassic Park 1 looked pretty real. The T-1000 in Terminator 2 looked great as well, and the effect hasn’t really aged that much either.
Snoke looks like he was designed purely as a children’s toy. SW is all about merchandising, Disney cares much more about the billions in toy sales that they’ll be making over the next two years than the 1 billion or whatever from the box office.
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If Ep.VIII is going for the ANH/TFA route again, I will no doubt completely avoid it 😄
I bet you $5000 that you watch Episode VIII no matter what.
What if I told you that, understanding that TFA would’be been mostly a commercial product, I wasn’t going to buy a single ticket for this movie? I watched it just because my friends begged me to 😄
The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201
If Ep.VIII is going for the ANH/TFA route again, I will no doubt completely avoid it 😄
I bet you $5000 that you watch Episode VIII no matter what.
What if I told you that, understanding that TFA would’be been mostly a commercial product, I wasn’t going to buy a single ticket for this movie? I watched it just because my friends begged me to 😄
I’m sure they’ll happen to beg you the next time too.
I ask you this, though: has there been a single sci-fi/fantasy movie in the past fifteen years or so that featured a major character that wasn’t an actor in a costume that achieved this?
Yes, the CGI T-Rex in Jurassic Park 1 looked pretty real. The T-1000 in Terminator 2 looked great as well, and the effect hasn’t really aged that much either.
Snoke looks like he was designed purely as a children’s toy. SW is all about merchandising, Disney cares much more about the billions in toy sales that they’ll be making over the next two years than the 1 billion or whatever from the box office.
The CGI lion in The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe was pretty good and had a minute budget in comparison. I didn’t have a problem with Snoke as we only saw a hologram (which is CGI anyway), I think it was the least of this film’s problems, think script!
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Couple of random thoughts/musings:
Is Princess Leia the new Jar Jar Binks? Her acting was so wooden. There was nothing behind her aged face that reminded me of Princess Leia. When I saw Han Solo bound thru the door of the Falcon the first time, he seemed very much like Han Solo. I didnt see Princess Leai in this film at all. Fisher might as well have been playing a different character. Will Leia become a drag on each film gong forward?
The Falcon scenes were all amazing right up until Han Solo got killed. After that moment I think the Falcon will forever haunt me. Seeing Chewy in the pilot’s seat was weird. I’d never seen him sitting in that spot. Seeing Rey in that seat going forward is going to feel awkward for me. I think we’ve all come to grips with the fact that Han Solo was going to die no matter what. But it doesnt change the fact that our imagination with regard to Han Solo is somehow ‘capped’. After ROTJ our heroes lived on in our imaginations. I mean movie heroes don’t die. James Bond will never have a death scene. Neither will Indiana Jones. I’m not criticizing the film because of the death of Solo…it’s just different and a bit of a paradigm shift to see a fictional hero from my childhood meet his demise. It happens in comics I suppose but its new for a movie hero. The real possibility exists that all 3 of the main OT characters will be killed off by the end of the new trilogy.
It bothered me more that she didn’t get to say anything actually important.
About Han, at least a hero died. Hadn’t he died, Ren’s presence would’ve been even less threatening, and the whole final battle even more boring. Of course, it’s more likely they just killed him to mirror Obi-wan’s death in ANH, and “free” Ford from the cast.
P.S.: 😄 btw, here’s Ortolani’s take on Leia (roughly translated by me)
P.P.S.: if these comics bother you, let me know it and I’ll stop posting them.
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Couple of random thoughts/musings:
- Is Princess Leia the new Jar Jar Binks? Her acting was so wooden. There was nothing behind her aged face that reminded me of Princess Leia. When I saw Han Solo bound thru the door of the Falcon the first time, he seemed very much like Han Solo. I didnt see Princess Leai in this film at all. Fisher might as well have been playing a different character. Will Leia become a drag on each film gong forward?
I’m having trouble connecting this part to the rest of your point. Is everything we don’t like in Star Wars automatically the new Jar Jar Binks? Jar Jar sucks because he’s racist and shrill. That comparison should mean something more specific than “not good”.
Couple of random thoughts/musings:
- Is Princess Leia the new Jar Jar Binks? Her acting was so wooden. There was nothing behind her aged face that reminded me of Princess Leia. When I saw Han Solo bound thru the door of the Falcon the first time, he seemed very much like Han Solo. I didnt see Princess Leai in this film at all. Fisher might as well have been playing a different character. Will Leia become a drag on each film gong forward?
I’m having trouble connecting this part to the rest of your point. Is everything we don’t like in Star Wars automatically the new Jar Jar Binks? Jar Jar sucks because he’s racist and shrill. That comparison should mean something more specific than “not good”.
Allow me to draw the connection. Jar Jar was useless and was there to attract kids. Leia is useless and is here to attract (some of) OT fans.
I knew she would suck if she appeared again and I said so back when she was confirmed for the role. A lot of people here were “flaming” me back then for that.
真実
She wasn’t great but she didn’t suck. She wasn’t given much to do, and I thought her discussion with Han about Ben was pretty good stuff.
I also don’t remember her stepping in shit.
Couple of random thoughts/musings:
- Is Princess Leia the new Jar Jar Binks? Her acting was so wooden. There was nothing behind her aged face that reminded me of Princess Leia. When I saw Han Solo bound thru the door of the Falcon the first time, he seemed very much like Han Solo. I didnt see Princess Leai in this film at all. Fisher might as well have been playing a different character. Will Leia become a drag on each film gong forward?
I’m having trouble connecting this part to the rest of your point. Is everything we don’t like in Star Wars automatically the new Jar Jar Binks? Jar Jar sucks because he’s racist and shrill. That comparison should mean something more specific than “not good”.
Allow me to draw the connection. Jar Jar was useless and was there to attract kids. Leia is useless and is here to attract (some of) OT fans.
I knew she would suck if she appeared again and I said so back when she was confirmed for the role. A lot of people here were “flaming” me back then for that.
What I’m trying to relate with my Fisher as Jar Jar comment is will she become the new hate magnet that draws criticism in all three movies?
The Force Awakens was by no means a bad film but Fisher’s continued lack luster performance and inability to relate back to Princess Leia will be a distraction in the new trilogy and perhaps the one consistent low point assuming all else goes well. And if all else nose dives, she will be cited endlessly as a negative root cause. Perhaps she just wasnt given much to work with though I find that unlikely given who the director is and his reputation as an actor’s director. Maybe what we got in the finished film was all JJ could allow. Will future directors be forced to unceremoniously push her into the background as Lucas did with Jar Jar and thus drawing even more criticism?
I know it sounds mean. I feel bad for her as she has recently tweeted that comments about her appearance have taken their toll on her especially comments about plastic surgery. But she can turn things around with a less wooden performance.
She is Princess Friggen Leia and we love her and want her back.
She wasn’t great but she didn’t suck. She wasn’t given much to do, and I thought her discussion with Han about Ben was pretty good stuff.
Well she wasn’t given much and wasn’t able to ruin much.
I also don’t remember her stepping in shit.
This “argument” is on a 10 years old level (or less).
真実
Also, her absence would have been conspicuous. Less so, now that we know what she does in the Galaxy and we may not need to see her again.
If Ep.VIII is going for the ANH/TFA route again, I will no doubt completely avoid it 😄
I bet you $5000 that you watch Episode VIII no matter what.
What if I told you that, understanding that TFA would’be been mostly a commercial product, I wasn’t going to buy a single ticket for this movie? I watched it just because my friends begged me to 😄
I’d call bullsh*t 😉
War does not make one great.
Also, her absence would have been conspicuous. Less so, now that we know what she does in the Galaxy and we may not need to see her again.
I think with her as Kylo’s mother she’s going to have to be around in the next two (or one if they kill her, but with Han dead already I expect Disney will ease up on killing old characters; I don’t think anyone wants “seeing your childhood heroes meet violent deaths one by one” to become a major theme of the sequel trilogy). Personally, I didn’t feel strongly one way or the other about Carrie’s performance. She was more than a little stiff, but she certainly didn’t ruin anything for me.
If Ep.VIII is going for the ANH/TFA route again, I will no doubt completely avoid it 😄
I bet you $5000 that you watch Episode VIII no matter what.
What if I told you that, understanding that TFA would’be been mostly a commercial product, I wasn’t going to buy a single ticket for this movie? I watched it just because my friends begged me to 😄
I’d call bullsh*t 😉
If you don’t believe me, read it for yourself here 😄 (I DID buy the ticket when I saw TFA, don’t worry).
Also, her absence would have been conspicuous. Less so, now that we know what she does in the Galaxy and we may not need to see her again.
Yeah, I guess with Han dead, she could retire from the Resistence, if needed.
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Carrie was fine. There were a few looks (such as when Han says “I saw him”) where you can see her emoting just like she used to in the OT. It wasn’t an Oscar winning performance, fine, but it was still the Leia we know and I had absolutely no problem believing in her as a living, breathing character in this universe.
If Ep.VIII is going for the ANH/TFA route again, I will no doubt completely avoid it 😄
I bet you $5000 that you watch Episode VIII no matter what.
What if I told you that, understanding that TFA would’be been mostly a commercial product, I wasn’t going to buy a single ticket for this movie? I watched it just because my friends begged me to 😄
I’d call bullsh*t 😉
If you don’t believe me, read it for yourself here 😄 (I DID buy the ticket when I saw TFA, don’t worry).
Also, her absence would have been conspicuous. Less so, now that we know what she does in the Galaxy and we may not need to see her again.
Yeah, I guess with Han dead, she could retire from the Resistence, if needed.
I can say Ron Jeremy begged me to go, but doesn’t automatically make it true.