Yes it does, because I’m not going to eat food that is touching shit. That and they’re two completely different damned things anyway. So this analogy doesn’t even make sense to begin with. That’s like saying that one of your farts is worse than the other because you can’t smell the lotion as much.
So um, what is ‘un-Star Wars’ to you in ANH, imperialscum?
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Please, no more poop cake analogies!
Where were you in '77?
So um, what is ‘un-Star Wars’ to you in ANH, imperialscum?
Well the term “un-Star Wars” is not really good to describe what I actually meant. What I was describing was sets/scenes that suck you out of the universe that the film is trying to immerse you in. Of course it goes without saying that this is subjective, as everything else when it comes to film.
An example in ANH would probably be the original shot of Ben’s house. That is why I love its SE replacement.
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Ok I can agree with that, unstar wars like made me “Wtf?” for a moment. lol
I prefer the desolate abandoned looking hovel myself.
The SE revision is like hanging up a neon sign for every would be Jedi hunter and desert riff raff to knock on your door. 😉
Where were you in '77?
I prefer the desolate abandoned looking hovel myself.
The SE revision is like hanging up a neon sign for every would be Jedi hunter and desert riff raff to knock on your door. 😉
Yeah I prefer the original myself.
If Imperialscum takes a stance on something related to the OOT, there is a high chance I will be in disagreement. There are several visual improvements made in the SE of Star Wars, but the exterior shot of Kenobi’s hut is not one of them.
And regardless, it’s a fucking movie in space. Quicksand doesn’t have to follow Earth rules, because the movie does not take place on Earth. So no, quicksand in a desert is not impossible because it’s not an Earth desert.
Certainly anything is possible. If Abrams would have cooked up a thing where Chewbacca turned out to be Ren’s true father because the midichlorians modified Chewbacca’s wookie sperm to be compatible with a human egg, you’d be arguing that that would be fine, too…because after all, in your own words, “It’s a fucking movie in space,” and sperm on Jakku or Takodana do not necessarily behave as sperm do on earth.
Let me know when you can link to a video explaining how quicksand works on Jakku.
This is where we get into the ugly realm of what is possible vs. what is plausible. Unfortunately, it seems that some folks here aren’t able or aren’t willing to discern the difference.
Plausible stops being a thing when you’re watching a movie that already has magical powers and lazer swords.
Plausible stops being a thing when you’re watching a movie that already has magical powers and lazer swords.
We’ll have to part ways on this opinion. It’s fine for a movie to include fantasy elements, so long as the movie obeys its own rules.
For example, if I create a horror movie where the monster can travel like a ghost through walls to attack its prey, and then I end the movie by just capturing the monster that can travel through walls in a box, that would be stupid right?
The movie wouldn’t obey its own rules, right?
That would be implausible.
Arguing that, “It’s a movie about monsters that travel through walls, for f@cks sake! It’s fantasy!” would be an irrational defense of the catch-the-monster-in-a-box ending.
Plausible stops being a thing when you’re watching a movie that already has magical powers and lazer swords.
I don’t agree with all of Lizard’s nitpicks, but this specific statement is not true. Every film has an internal universe, where it establishes its own rules. In Star Wars, the half a dozen stormtroopers might fire their blasters in Han’s direction, and none of them are good enough shots to hit. But that’s a recurring movie trope that is consistent throughout the internal universe of the story.
However, if one of the stormtroopers in Cloud City had burst into Han and Leia’s room, and warned them that they were in danger and they need to hurry and get away, that would be seriously out of line. That is no longer an insignificant, oft-repeated trope, but that is suddenly a major WTF moment that (at a minimum) needs explanation, and probably shouldn’t be included in the story at all.
That’s why Finn defecting is not consistent with the internal world of the Star Wars universe. It could still work … but now the whole thing calls so much attention to itself, it needs some kind of context to justify itself. Just saying he’s a good guy with a conscience doesn’t cut it.
Plausible stops being a thing when you’re watching a movie that already has magical powers and lazer swords.
We’ll have to part ways on this opinion. It’s fine for a movie to include fantasy elements, so long as the movie obeys its own rules.
I’m sorry, I must have missed the part in the original trilogy where they show how quicksand in a desert is against the rules.
AOTC established sand as rough, course, irritating, and that it gets everywhere. Quicksand completely negates #1, #2, and possibly #3.
Certainly anything is possible. If Abrams would have cooked up a thing where Chewbacca turned out to be Ren’s true father because the midichlorians modified Chewbacca’s wookie sperm to be compatible with a human egg …
Can you for once please come up with an analogy that doesn’t include feces or other bodily fluids in your rebuttals?
(Hehehe, rebuttal; hehehe analogy)
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Now that I have complained about Craggy Island, I have to really compliment the film about on-board stardestroyer scenes. The dimmed blushing lighting… great feel, perfect. My favourite part of the film.
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Now that I have complained about Craggy Island, I have to really compliment the film about on-board stardestroyer scenes. The dimmed blushing lighting… great feel, perfect. My favourite part of the film.
Craggy Island, I thought it was more Countrywise, thought Luke and Rey were gong for a lovely, scenic walk.
I’m sorry, I must have missed the part in the original trilogy where they show how quicksand in a desert is against the rules.
Oh, no. It’s OK. You didn’t miss that, as there wasn’t any contrived quicksand in the OT.
But as explained elsewhere in this thread, the “dry quicksand” element is contrived because the planet Jakku is literally littered with junk from previous battles that has not been eaten up by any quicksand. So here we have a case where a fantasy isn’t bothering to follow its own rules.
I know, I know. Let me say it for you so you don’t have to waste keystrokes: Poe & Finn’s TIE fighter just so happened to land on a spot of dry quicksand…and it’s sort of “delayed-acting dry quicksand.” That is, it only activates at the key moment a main movie character comes upon a vessel sitting upon it that needs to be conveniently gotten rid of to move the contrived story along.
So what we really have is this: If the TIE fighter is crashed, logically (again, here we go, trying to apply logic to this mess), Finn would climb into the wreckage to find Poe, the guy who just helped him escape certain death. Upon not locating Poe’s body, Finn, a decent human being, would be compelled to, you know, go look around the desert some to try to find Poe – after all, maybe he’s still alive somewhere and desperately in need of help. But no. We don’t want to waste valuable screen time with all that logic mess, so we’ll just have the desert swallow up the TIE fighter and “explain” it away by having another character babble something about quicksand earlier.
OH! But wait a minute. Finn found Poe’s jacket. This would give him evidence that Poe survived the crash and took the jacket off because it’s hot. Right? So, logically, wouldn’t Finn conclude that Poe is still alive? And, you know, probably wandering around the desert, hoping to find Finn? Nah! Let’s put the jacket on in an arid desert, forget about that schmuck Poe, go wander down to the settlement, and then tell everybody there that I meet that Poe didn’t make it – even though I have good reason to believe he did make it.
This guy must be real fun at parties.
I stand by my original statement.
I’m sorry, I must have missed the part in the original trilogy where they show how quicksand in a desert is against the rules.
Oh, no. It’s OK. You didn’t miss that, as there wasn’t any contrived quicksand in the OT.
But as explained elsewhere in this thread, the “dry quicksand” element is contrived because the planet Jakku is literally littered with junk from previous battles that has not been eaten up by any quicksand. So here we have a case where a fantasy isn’t bothering to follow its own rules.
I know, I know. Let me say it for you so you don’t have to waste keystrokes: Poe & Finn’s TIE fighter just so happened to land on a spot of dry quicksand…and it’s sort of “delayed-acting dry quicksand.” That is, it only activates at the key moment a main movie character comes upon a vessel sitting upon it that needs to be conveniently gotten rid of to move the contrived story along.
So what we really have is this: If the TIE fighter is crashed, logically (again, here we go, trying to apply logic to this mess), Finn would climb into the wreckage to find Poe, the guy who just helped him escape certain death. Upon not locating Poe’s body, Finn, a decent human being, would be compelled to, you know, go look around the desert some to try to find Poe – after all, maybe he’s still alive somewhere and desperately in need of help. But no. We don’t want to waste valuable screen time with all that logic mess, so we’ll just have the desert swallow up the TIE fighter and “explain” it away by having another character babble something about quicksand earlier.
OH! But wait a minute. Finn found Poe’s jacket. This would give him evidence that Poe survived the crash and took the jacket off because it’s hot. Right? So, logically, wouldn’t Finn conclude that Poe is still alive? And, you know, probably wandering around the desert, hoping to find Finn? Nah! Let’s put the jacket on in an arid desert, forget about that schmuck Poe, go wander down to the settlement, and then tell everybody there that I meet that Poe didn’t make it – even though I have good reason to believe he did make it.
You really need to go back and watch the film.
Finn gets to the crashed TIE , approaches the cockpit shouting for Poe, moves the jacket so he can look inside the cockpit, but the moment he tries to look inside the ground begins to give way and the TIE sinks. He doesn’t get a chance to climb inside. This all happens within a few seconds. Finn shouts out for Poe as it is sinking. He believes he was trapped inside the ship and dies. So why the hell would he go off in search of someone he believes is dead?
It was established prior to this that there is an area called the sinking fields when Rey tells BB-8 he needs to avoid that area. Its never referred to as quick sand. For all we know the sinking fields are created by a creature burrowing under the sand causing the surface to destabilise because of the tunnels. Notice there is no junk in that area at all. Just because the TIE sunk in that one area does not mean that all the other junk littered around, in different areas, would also sink. How is it any less plausible than someone being able to move objects with their mind, or any less convenient that the ship lands in those fields as it is that they happen to stumble upon the death star so they can rescue the princess?
btw, where did he find Poe’s jacket? Did it magically fly off the TIE without his owner? 😄
The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201
btw, where did he find Poe’s jacket? Did it magically fly off the TIE without his owner? 😄
The jacket was in the TIE caught on the damaged window. Poe took it off and threw it on the floor when he climbed in there when they were escaping the stardestroyer. Nothing magic about it.
That makes sense. Thanks!
The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201
You really need to go back and watch the film.
Finn gets to the crashed TIE , approaches the cockpit shouting for Poe, moves the jacket so he can look inside the cockpit, but the moment he tries to look inside the ground begins to give way and the TIE sinks. He doesn’t get a chance to climb inside. This all happens within a few seconds. Finn shouts out for Poe as it is sinking. He believes he was trapped inside the ship and dies. So why the hell would he go off in search of someone he believes is dead?
You really need to go back and read my post. This time for comprehension. Perhaps get a refund on that speed reading course you took! Ha ha. Joke, joke.
But, no, seriously, nothing of what you wrote above in any way conflicts with the points I made about Poe, Finn, and the jacket. Go back and read closely.
I didn’t post that, but whatever.
Anyway, even if it is contrived, so what? Did you like ESB? Because Luke being Vader’s son is the most contrived thing in all of Star Wars. And that doesn’t make it a bad movie at all.