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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 203

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TK428 said:

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Finn’s dodge has me even more excited than Kylo’s fancy move. This is going to be messy and I love it.

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Luke had a computer on board his X-wing that interpreted R2. You can see him looking at it when he’s talking to R2 on the flight to Dagobah. As for other times he speaks to R2, you can imagine he’s verbalizing non-verbal communication. There are probably intonations in the tone of R2’s beeps that can kind of intimate what the droid might be trying to convey. The same way you might talk to your cat or dog but neither really knows what the other is trying to say.

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I can’t watch that gif without humming the theme tune to Game of Thrones.
Go on give it a go.

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[SilverWook said:](post/id/885

You should know better than to post such things in this thread. The post in the memorabila section was enough. Don’t do it again.

Sorry silverwook. I’ve removed it. I blame the booze.

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TK428 said:

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I thought that was a cool shot. It looks like a move Darth Maul would have done. I always had a feeling that this movie would be based on the originals with some prequel influence as well.

One day we will have properly restored versions of the Original Unaltered Trilogy (OUT); or 1977, 1980, 1983 Theatrical released versions (Like 4K77,4K80 and 4K83); including Prequels. So that future generations can enjoy these historic films that changed cinema forever.

Yoda: Try not, do or do not, there is no try.

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Will anyone be watching the Red Carpet event tonight about the movie over at Starwars.com?

One day we will have properly restored versions of the Original Unaltered Trilogy (OUT); or 1977, 1980, 1983 Theatrical released versions (Like 4K77,4K80 and 4K83); including Prequels. So that future generations can enjoy these historic films that changed cinema forever.

Yoda: Try not, do or do not, there is no try.

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joefavs said:

TK428 said:

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Finn’s dodge has me even more excited than Kylo’s fancy move. This is going to be messy and I love it.

Agree. From Driver and Boyega’s own description the fighting is much more brutal and personal.

The main problem with the OT & PT lightsaber fighting are the stakes. In the OT there is true personal conflict in every single confrontation with real life stakes. In the PT the opposite seems to be the case.

“This will begin to make things right.” Lor San Tekka

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Looks like they just invited everyone camping outside the Chinese Theater into the premiere. The movie will be well and truly spoiled in a few hours. I’m out till Thursday night. See you guys on the other side.

EDIT: That article actually might have been bogus. I’m not taking chances, anyway.

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Same here. See you on the 21st (I see the movie at 11:30 PM on the 20th)…

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My Fellow SW fans:

Greetings,

Today I bring you every video related to the TFA published on the Star Wars Official YouTube page, the list is ordered by date, oldest to newest. No international trailers are included since those are not in the official SW channel.

Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt37ppfO0OQ
Star Wars Day Greeting from J.J. Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan
Published on May 4, 2014
0:23

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWBGrkc360M
Star Wars: Force for Change - An Update from J.J. Abrams
Published on Jul 21, 2014
1:32

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXa8Bw3aGMQ
Star Wars: Force For Change Winner Reveal
Published on Aug 11, 2014
1:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us0MWzVBnxM
Will Warwick Davis Appear in Star Wars: Episode VII?
Published on Oct 16, 2014
2:02

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erLk59H86ww
Star Wars: The Force Awakens Official Teaser
Published on Nov 28, 2014
1:38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVUAFMVwYm0
Star Wars: Force for Change - Meet Winner D.C. Barns
Published on Apr 16, 2015
2:19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngElkyQ6Rhs
Star Wars: The Force Awakens Official Teaser #2
Published on Apr 16, 2015
1:59

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTNJ51ghzdY
Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Comic-Con 2015 Reel
Published on Jul 10, 2015
3:42

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGbxmsDFVnE
Star Wars: The Force Awakens Trailer (Official)
Published on Oct 19, 2015
2:35

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9owoYz5ikvI
Star Wars: The Force Awakens TV Spot (Official)
Published on Nov 8, 2015
0:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6HN9soeGa8
Star Wars: The Force Awakens 60 Second TV Spot (Official)
Published on Nov 12, 2015
1:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpBcTMGsiOM
Star Wars: The Force Awakens TV Spot 2 (Official)
Published on Nov 16, 2015
0:46

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mjYjMxZJCg
Harrison Ford Surprises Star Wars Fans with Big News… for Charity
Published on Nov 19, 201
3:11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj8jWBig0bs
Star Wars: The Force Awakens Finn TV Spot (Official)
Published on Nov 20, 2015
0:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9RtGRFNQxs
Star Wars: The Force Awakens “All the Way” TV Spot (Official)
Published on Nov 27, 2015
1:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7BwIyNN9rs
Mark Hamill Goes Undercover as a Stormtrooper on Hollywood Blvd
Published on Dec 3, 2015
3:29

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7xZV_26VYU
Star Wars: The Force Awakens “Legacy” Featurette (Comic Con Experience, Brazil)
Published on Dec 5, 2015
1:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMDgTt4kLdo
Star Wars: The Force Awakens “Secret” TV Spot (Official)
Published on Dec 8, 2015
0:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-mewHsIhAU
Star Wars: The Force Awakens “5 Days” TV Spot (Official)
Published on Dec 13, 2015
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0OIPggil7k
Star Wars: The Force Awakens World Premiere Red Carpet
Streamed live on Dec 14, 2015
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@RicOlie_2
Feel free to grab the video links missing for the OP. 😃

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Maz looks like Sophia from the Golden Girls, which is owned by Disney.

It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher

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I’ve kept saying I was going to leave, but I’m pretty much “f*** it” since being sick in bed for days makes you a bit bored. Twitter reactions have been almost all very positive, with only a few worrying tweets.

This Pastebin description is making the rounds, and it hasn’t exactly been entirely confirmed yet, but if it’s real, it’s worse than I could have imagined. Better than the prequels, sure. But doesn’t sound anywhere as good as the originals.

Here are random spoilers for STAR WARS Episode VII which I saw today. Just because I want to ruin your fun:

The first line of the opening crawl is “Luke Skywalker has disappeared.”

The first sentence in the movie is “This will begin to make things right”, said by Max von Sydow. Poe Dameron came to him to get the map to Luke Skywalker for The Resistance.

Max von Sydow’s role is just a cameo, he has about 10 sentences before Kylo Ren kills him.

The Empire is now The First Order, The Rebels are now The Resistance, more extreme fraction of the New Republic, who are supposedly pussies. We only see the New Republic planet for a few seconds before it’s destroyed by the Starkiller base.

Almost no one in the movie believes that Jedis and Luke Skywalker ever existed.

Kylo Ren captures Poe and uses the Force to stop laser blast so that it remains floating in the air, frozen in place.

Finn helps captured Poe to escape from the Star Destroyer only because he cannot pilot TIE fighter himself. Poe is an expert pilot, Finn can shoot lasers. They become friends.

Finn’s “real name” is FN and four numbers. Poe starts to call him “Finn” because it’s easier to pronounce. FN likes it.

After 20 minutes, we are supposed to think that Poe Dameron was killed in the TIE crash on Jakku. He reappers near the end (he ejected before the crash) to lead the attack on Starkiller base. He is not in the film very much. Finn wears Poe’s jacket during most of the movie.

Rey meets Finn, they steal the Millennium Falcon from the junkyard and fly away. Han and Chewie catch them soon, followed by two groups of racially-stereotyped space gangsters.

Chewbacca is wounded by space gangsters soon after he appears and spends most of the remaining time doing nothing. Rey takes his place as Falcon’s pilot, proving herself to Han.

Kylo Ren is Han and Leia’s son. He is “Master of The Knights of Ren” but it’s not explained what it means.

Kylo Ren’s real name is Ben. He was trained by Luke but then turned to the Dark Side which was the reason for Luke blaming himself and disappearing.

The Starkiller base charges by draining suns and then destroys whole solar systems. The shot in trailer with Kylo Ren and red flare is the Starkiller base firing. Guess what, the Starkiller base can be destroyed by flying in her trench and shooting the “oscillator” or whatever.

Han meets Kylo at the Starkiller base/planet and tries to persuade him to return with him. “I am torn apart, father. But I know what I must do. Can you help me?” - “Of course, my son.” They almost embrace. Kylo pierces Han with lightsaber. “Thank you, father.” Dead Han falls into the shaft on the Starkiller base. Yes, he is dead. Most definitely.

Leader Snoke is the bald CGI bad guy with large scar across his face. He has snake-like movements but his body is never clearly seen. His motivation or origin is never explained. He gives orders to Kylo Ren and General Hux (who hate each other). Most of the characters don’t know about Snoke’s existence.

General Hux has screaming monologue in front of thousands of Stormtroopers: “We stand upon this mighty weapon you’ve built. Everyone will bow to The First Order. Today will be remembered as the last day of The Republic!” Afterwards, all Stormtroopers raise their fists. Very nice Der Fuhrer moment.

Fan service: Holochess. The levitating training ball from Episode 4. Admiral Ackbar. Rey living in the AT-AT wreckage. “1138” mentioned. Garbage chute and trash compactor mentioned. Kesel Run mentioned.

Simon Pegg plays an alien called Ankar Plutt who took care of Rey when she was very little and her parents disappeared. Now he runs a junkyard on Jakku and buys scrap from Rey. His face and voice is not recognizable.

Apart from Han and Chewie, all the “original characters” (Leia, R2D2, C3PO) only appear after two thirds of the movie, when The Resistance lands on Maz Kanata’s planet.

Maz Kanata (small CGI gypsy) is the new Yoda and explains everything cryptically. Nobody understands her.

Han and Leia see each other for the first time after many, many years and have a touching conversation about their son: “You can still save him.” / “How can I save him when Luke couldn’t?” / “Luke was a Jedi, your are his father.”

Kylo Ren and Rey have duel of wills. Rey wins, telling Kylo: “I sense your fear. You are afraid that you will never be as strong as Darth Vader.”

Kylo Ren talks to Vader’s helmet: “Show me the darkness. I will finish what you started, grandfather.”

R2D2 spends the whole movie powered down and doesn’t do anything until 5 minutes at the very end when it’s discovered that crucial part of the Skywalker map is in his memory, probably but there by Luke long time ago. (It’s not very clear but Luke appears with R2D2 in a flashback.)

Rey has a weird dream/flashback after she finds Luke’s lightsaber in Maz Kanata’s castle and touches it. The dream contains lots of quick imagery and short voiceovers by Yoda and Obi-Wan. Several famous shots in trailers (Kylo and his posse, Luke’s mechanical arm on R2D2) are from this dream montage and are never explained in the movie.

Finn’s origin (his skin color, who are his parents, why he hates the First Order) is never explained.

C3PO’s red hand is never explained. In fact, there are many things that are never explained in this movie…

Both Finn and Rey have lightsaber duel with Kylo in the forest on the Starkiller planet/base. Finn is badly wounded and spends rest of the movie in a coma. Rey finally falls in love with him. (He loved her from the first sight.)

Starkiller base/planet is succesfully destroyed by The Resistance. We don’t know what happens with Kylo Ren (who was there) but he probably survived. Snoke sends the message to Hux to “Bring Kylo Ren to me complete his training.”

The last sentence of the movie is “May the Force be with you”, said by Leia to Rey.

After the last sentence, there is an extended sequence without dialogue: Rey leaves the Resistance base in the Millennium Falcon with Chewbacca. They find remote planet where Luke is hiding (because they now have the map), Rey goes to the “first Jedi Temple” (which looks like ruins of some Scottish castle on a rocky island). Luke is there, dressed in old Obi-Wan style hood. Rey returns his sword to him. Apart from this sequence, Luke only appears for three seconds in Rey’s previous flashback. Luke speaks no words in the whole movie and is onscreen maybe for 30 seconds total. He never meets anyone else than Rey.

------------ But it’s not a bad movie. I am Darth Villar.

So I don’t know, I am really hoping this isn’t true, but there are a few tidbits that are correct from info only found out about tonight, and two other anonymous reviewers backing it up. At least I can contain myself to lower expectations.

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emanswfan said:

This Pastebin description is making the rounds, and it hasn’t exactly been entirely confirmed yet, but if it’s real, it’s worse than I could have imagined. Better than the prequels, sure. But doesn’t sound anywhere as good as the originals.

Confirmation is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/3wx3s5/kylo_ren_is_the_son_of_han_and_leia_was_trained/cxzlqbb

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3

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A random Reddit post by an anonymous internet user? Hardly confirmation.

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Anchorhead said:

A random Reddit post by an anonymous internet user? Hardly confirmation.

His Reddit username is his real name and the value of his post (the confirmation) is in the image he links to: http://i.imgur.com/zD1S8y6.jpg

Everyone at the premiere wore these. The staff had yellow-bordered badges and the guests had red-bordered ones.

I suppose he could have forged it, but then he would have had to do it in a very short amount of time and he would have had to have access to a real one.

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3

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It’s a bad rehash, that’s my bet. JJ Abraham’s is a director/producer who leans towards “cool” stuff and hardly towards what works, or makes that “cool” stuff work.

For instance: we have another masked villain. Only that now we don’t know why on Earth he wears a mask. He, as well as Vader, betrayed his master and killed all the Jedi. But he’s even more “badass” than Vader, killing his father and making theatrical stances, cause it’s kuuuhl

We have an Empire, which builds a superweapon even more powerful than the Death Star! But how? In ANH you got it right from the beginning: a powerful, opressive organisation, with the economical power of a Galactic Government against a band of rebels hardly funded. How could a band of imperial outlaws build a machine sized as a planet?

It’s as crazy as trying to make a movie about a gang of Neonazis who build an nuke in their garage.

The idea of the First Order is lame. “the resistance” is lame. Killing han solo, is lame.

The third trilogy should have been about a war against a receeding Empire towards the Core. Instead we are almost exactly where the galaxy was in ANH, and we’re told “there’s a new republic, but it doesn’t count”…Han married Leia, but now they’re divorced…Luke had an Academy, but now he hasn’t it anymore…

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It’s a sad state of affairs when I’m almost happy at others disappointment over a SW film.

God, I’ve become a miserable son of a bitch.