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Star Wars Episode II: The Approaching Storm (Released) — Page 7

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After watching them through once, I can see why you’re torn. Much more is more content is make their relationship believable and both scenes provide a bit of development, but they are not without their problems.

My first impression is in favor of the “Extended Arrival” scene. I too like the mention of her sister’s children and the talk of wanting a family. In the other scene, the dialogue between Anakin and Padme’s father seem very amateurish.

I’m not settled on it though. I’d say I’m 60% in favor of the “Extended Arrival,” and 40% in favor of “Padme’s Parents’ House.” I hope some others can share their impressions.

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I appreciate your input, and I think I’m right there with you. Please note, however, that I would not be including the bits with Anakin talking with the father outside; that was edited into that youtube video from the BluRay.
I have both versions of the edit in timelines right now, so it’s not like I have to do any additional work at this point other than deciding. Though, I am leaning slightly toward breaking from V1-V3 and most prior fan edits by using the walk 'n talk.

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I’d advise against the walk and talk as it explicitly states that Padme was elected Queen at 14 which is absurd. Removing that line doesn’t necessarily remove that plot point but the less it’s discussed, the better.

The thing that’s good about the dinner scene as you mentioned is Padme is already showing signs that she has feelings for Anakin which makes their hook up later more believable. As well it provides a nice parallel with the dinner scene at the Lars residence.

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I shared it with the biggest SW fan I know, explaining only that the two were being considered for inclusion in a fan edit of ep2, for the purpose of adding depth to the Padme/Anakin relationship, but with a desire to minimize boring dialogue and bad acting.

This was his response:

Between the two, if only one can be chosen, i would go for the first one, their arrival on Naboo. I think it does a better job at setting up why she would be interested in having a romantic life and a family, and brings out the tension of her work vs. personal life, which is the struggle that Anakin also faces. Overall I think it’s the better scene story wise to set up and help explain where things will end up.

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It’s really too bad they wear different outfits or one scene could lead directly into the other.
Some time ago, I crammed both into the movie as a test, but it really did an unpleasant number on the scene transitions during the body of the movie, from what I remember. I certainly won’t decide right now, and I value your input.

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Well, spending a little time this evening experimenting on this yielded a good scene ordering that includes both the extended arrival on Naboo and the Naberrie family without demanding crap scene transitions. I believe it was the same scene ordering I tried quite a while back, but it seems like a fresh attempt make it work.
The order of scenes for this chunk of the movie will be as follows: Landing platform with Mace and Obi-Wan, extended arrival on Naboo, arrival on Kamino, Naberrie family, touring the cloning facility, picnic, Fett’s quarters, sunset dinner and nighttime kiss, and Obi-Wan reporting to Mace and Yoda.
Many of those scene transitions are original to the film itself, so I think it’s a net gain anyhow. The longer the v4 source materials are delayed, the better things can potentially get, but v4 will be the end of the road.

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That seems like a good solution. Looking forward to V4.

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I’m a fan of that solution, can’t wait to see how it plays out. I agree that the election at 14 thing is silly but I’m willing to accept that conceit because I believe the rest of the scene strengthens the relationship and also provides some more context for Padme’s character.

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Eh, the characters on screen aren’t phased by it, so having them address it plainly at least solidifies it as a thing on their planet. I like hearing them touch on it rather than letting us scratch our heads. But even so, the scene strengthens their growing bond. Now to shuffle the commentary track around and supplement it.

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Yeah, I tend to agree. An explanation, however flimsy, is better than none.

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I’ve never had a problem with the unusual to most of us method of electing female children to be monarchs.
Plenty of cultures around the world have child rulers and elected monarchs so combining the two just informs us of how diverse the Republic was.
My problem is the flat delivery, the ‘tell don’t show’ writing and bland direction of the scenes in the PT.
Only so much of that can be fixed by editing alone.

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Hey Hal, I’m curious. What is your rationale for keeping in the scene where Anakin rides the fat CG animal in the meadow? Imo, it’s a hard scene to stomach and totally takes me out of the film. I realize that part of your philosophy with these edits is to salvage as much of the original films as possible, but imo I’d rather see the extended conversation where they talk about past relationships than that scene.

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The scene where they talk about their ‘first time,’ as it comes across, seems weird to me. It’s not a big deal, though. I’ll think about that one, though, as it might not be a bad idea to put it back in, especially since the lead-in scene transition is the same as AOTC anyway. (We aren’t coming into the scene from a different scene from AOTC, now that I reshuffled the scenes to include the extended arrival on Naboo.)
At any rate, the cow tick scene is in because I believe it functions much better given how the film has progressed up to that point. It’s a nice parallel or foreshadow of Anakin taming the beast in the arena and (sort of) saving Padme as a result. Editing gives the scene a different feel than it had in AOTC, with the solution being to fix the film around it rather than just cut out the “bad parts.”

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Yeah to be fair, I just skimmed through, I haven’t watched the edit in full yet. I’m planning on using your edits for a saga watching with friends before TFA so I’ll see what kind of feedback I receive. It’s just hard for me to imagine a context in which that scene works.

The “first time” scene I never minded, it seems more natural than 90% of the romance scenes in this movie and seems like something young lovers might actually talk about. I also think it might take the edge off the “creepy” political talk that occurs right after.

I also wanted to recommend a few dialogue trims in the Padme’s family scene from L8wrtr’s edit. Particularly the line “our relationship is strictly professional”. In this scene we should see Padme’s barriers start to break down. That line smacks of the “will they, won’t they” nature of the romance in the original that has largely been removed in this edit. imo It’s a lot more effective to hear “Anakin and I are friends…” then Sola gives her a look and she looks doubtful. The other lines are mainly lines from the parents that just come across as a little hammy in the original. I’d recommend giving the L8wrtr version of this scene another watch.

Last thing I wanted to mention was the scene with Anakin in the Lars garage. I’ve noticed you chose to totally excise this scene but I believe other editors such as L8wrtr have proven that this scene can be downright effective when edited down. I definitely miss it in your edit. I think it’s more essential than say, Cliegg’s speech at Shmi’s funeral which is 100% skippable imo.

That said, I don’t want you to feel like I’m unnecessarily comparing your edit to L8wrtr’s. Honestly, I’m just trying to give input in what I feel would make the best edit possible. I listened to your commentary on EpI and I really liked what you said about your edits being a sort of “curation” of the best decisions from various fanedits so my suggestions are totally in that spirit. I hope they help.

EDIT: I also wanted to ask about the removal of the Droid Factory scene and the substitution of the war room scene with Padme, Anakin and Dooku. Right now it doesn’t work for me. Essentially Padme’s “diplomatic solution” is to walk in and ask Count Dooku to set Obi-Wan free. Beyond that she has no plan, essentially gives up when Dooku says “No” and they both get themselves captured. Imo, this makes Padme look stupid and weak-willed. You could argue that they are intentionally getting themselves captured in order to free Obi-Wan later, but if that were the case, you would expect there to be some discussion about it beforehand. In the original, it at least seemed like maybe they were trying to sneak in and find Obi-Wan covertly and in the original context of the deleted scene, the diplomacy was a last ditch effort after they had already been captured. Imo I would STRONGLY recommend reinstating a cut down version of the droid factory for this reason.

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Both of those concerns are expounded upon in Ep2’s commentary, but since it isn’t out yet, let me do so here in brief. The Tusken confession scene is gone primarily because of what it does to Padme’s character. She hears that Anakin commits genocide, killing women and children, and doesn’t care; she goes along with Anakin anyway. (This was especially problematic in AOTC, where at this point they weren’t together!) In Episode III, Padme learns that Anakin once again has killed children, and suddenly her heart is broken and she can’t go along with Anakin like she did when he did the same thing before. Also in Episode III, Palpatine references Anakin’s Tusken slaughter, giving us some characterization of Anakin as being willing to confide his dark secret to Palpatine but not to Padme. Plus, it’s a painfully awkward scene. (Cliegg’s funeral monologue is kept in order for the scene transition from Anakin arriving with Schmi’s body to function better. Seemed abrupt to wipe straight into Anakin walking up to the tombstone. Cliegg’s dialogue establishes the scene.)
The droid factory sequence is garbage IMHO. It was cobbled together in post-production, uses random music tracks from elsewhere in the film (including Yoda’s theme), and feature’s Anakin once again losing the use of his lightsaber. (Not to mention the Threepio antics and R2 flying.) I do not harbor any love for that sequence, so instead we get Anakin going along with Padme as she elects to try a diplomatic approach. It seems like what we get in the deleted scene is pretty much what Padme hoped to try to do before stumbling onto a big action setpiece.
Although, I went ahead and silenced the dialogue as Padme looks out her family’s kitchen window as you suggested; very good idea.

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I hate to be “that guy” and ask for an ETA, but since you’ve been delving back into Ep II & III for a V4, do you think there’s any chance you’ll be done before The Force Awakens drops? Gonna do a marathon with some friends in a handful of weeks, with your prequel edits, and was wondering if I should just burn the V3’s or wait for V4. Your V3 edits are already ace, so it’s not a big deal, but I figured I’d ask!

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My god yes! You cut out “I truly deeply love you”! I think that’s something I’ve been asking for since the work print. This is now probably the best prequel fan edit ever.

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There’s a little bit of static (I think) that ramps up during the pause between “my life” and “I love you”, but it’s not a huge problem.

Very good catch! You found one of the seams. I’ll see what I can do to minimize the odd musical creep, without having the background geonosian noises rising and falling conspicuously.

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DominicCobb said:

My god yes! You cut out “I truly deeply love you”! I think that’s something I’ve been asking for since the work print. This is now probably the best prequel fan edit ever.

I went back and just tried the whole scene again with a fresh canvas. It just so happened that I was able to cut it so the crossfade to the swell of music as they are carted out happens at pretty much the same point between the first and second go-round of the love theme. It was perfect, but it only happened by scrapping the prior version.

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If I’ve got this correct, there’s only a V4 of Ep 1 out, right? With Episode 3 to follow soon?