logo Sign In

You "fans" have won.

This topic has been locked by a moderator.

Author
Time
 (Edited)

I just want to thank all you “fans” for disrespecting and bullying me for liking the prequels all these years and for disrespecting George Lucas, the man who created SW, and for continuing to push your conspiracy theories that he had nothing to do with SW creation (it was all Kurtz, Right?). You have finally won. Star Wars is dead to me. I want nothing to do with Disney Star Wars…now that they chose to cater to you guys…congratulations to you all…

George Lucas today:

“You go to make a movie and all you do is get criticized,” is how George explains why he stepped away from the world-famous franchise he created. “And it’s not much fun. You can’t experiment.”

“The issue was, ultimately, they looked at the stories and they said we want to make something for the fans. So I said all I wanted to do was tell a story of what happened, you know it started here and went there. And it’s all about generations, the issues of fathers and sons and grandfathers, it’s a family soap opera. They call it a space opera, but people don’t realize it’s actually a soap opera, and it’s all about family problems and that kind of… it’s not about spaceships.

So they decided they didn’t want to use those stories, they decided they were going to go do their own thing, so I decided fine, basically I’m not going try to… they weren’t that keen on having me involved anyway, but at the same time I am not going to, if I get in there I am just going to cause trouble. Cause they’re not going to do what I want them to do, and I don’t have the control anymore to do that anymore and all I’ll do is just muck everything up. So I said I will go my way, and let them go their way.”

I’ve been predicting this is what was going on behind the scenes for years, and I’m truly sad to now have it confirmed that I was right. Lucas walked away from the thing HE created because he was just sick and tired of entitled fan bs. I don’t blame him one bit. I think the critical part about the Vanity Fair video is when he talks about all the Peggs of the world “wanting it a certain way.” The conflict in fandom has always been about ownership. Some fans feel that buying tickets, buying toys, buying collectible is some sort of investment in the franchise that allowed them the right to have a say in its creation. To make George Lucas their b***h. What’s galling is the fact that Star Wars began as an experiment. Everything we all love about Star Wars exists because Lucas pursued a dream, didn’t listen to naysayers and took risks to push filmmaking forward. Ever since the the studios took away THX-1138 and American Graffiti, Lucas was determined that HE was going to call the shots on HIS movies. Fans SHOULD know this. Fans SHOULD have appreciated this because it’s the reason we have a Star Wars to love. But no. A bunch of self-important asses charged to the Internet (beginning with Mark A. Altman and his “my childhood has been raped” comments about the SE) and began a decades long campaign to make life miserable for George Lucas. So they could own it. They’ve said so. On originaltrilogy.net guys were openly soliciting other fans to steal prints of the original cuts of IV-VI so that “Star Wars will finally be OURS!” (Their words) This is a dismal day not only for Star Wars but for art. Here was an artist who spent the majority of his life creating arguably the 20th century’s most significant piece of cinema art and a bunch of insane, butthurt fans hounded him until he had to walk away. I know they’re gloating. I know they’ll keep gloating. When the day comes when Lucas finally passes away, the first thing they’ll say is, “Good. Hopefully now we’ll finally get the originals!” I guarantee it.

Author
Time

I don’t feel bad for Lucas, he’s about 5 billion dollars richer now that he sold Star Wars. No one forced him to give it up.

The Person in Question

Author
Time

I think some people are really reading too much into his remarks.

He has four billion reasons to be really happy right now. Not to mention a new wife.

Forum Moderator

Where were you in '77?

Author
Time

fullmetal777 said:

I just want to thank all you “fans” for disrespecting and bullying me for liking the prequels all these years and for disrespecting George Lucas, the man who created SW, and for continuing to push your conspiracy theories that he had nothing to do with SW creation (it was all Kurtz, Right?). You have finally won. Star Wars is dead to me. I want nothing to do with Disney Star Wars…now that they chose to cater to you guys…congratulations to you all…

George Lucas today:

“You go to make a movie and all you do is get criticized,” is how George explains why he stepped away from the world-famous franchise he created. “And it’s not much fun. You can’t experiment.”

“The issue was, ultimately, they looked at the stories and they said we want to make something for the fans. So I said all I wanted to do was tell a story of what happened, you know it started here and went there. And it’s all about generations, the issues of fathers and sons and grandfathers, it’s a family soap opera. They call it a space opera, but people don’t realize it’s actually a soap opera, and it’s all about family problems and that kind of… it’s not about spaceships.

So they decided they didn’t want to use those stories, they decided they were going to go do their own thing, so I decided fine, basically I’m not going try to… they weren’t that keen on having me involved anyway, but at the same time I am not going to, if I get in there I am just going to cause trouble. Cause they’re not going to do what I want them to do, and I don’t have the control anymore to do that anymore and all I’ll do is just muck everything up. So I said I will go my way, and let them go their way.”

I’ve been predicting this is what was going on behind the scenes for years, and I’m truly sad to now have it confirmed that I was right. Lucas walked away from the thing HE created because he was just sick and tired of entitled fan bs. I don’t blame him one bit. I think the critical part about the Vanity Fair video is when he talks about all the Peggs of the world “wanting it a certain way.” The conflict in fandom has always been about ownership. Some fans feel that buying tickets, buying toys, buying collectible is some sort of investment in the franchise that allowed them the right to have a say in its creation. To make George Lucas their b***h. What’s galling is the fact that Star Wars began as an experiment. Everything we all love about Star Wars exists because Lucas pursued a dream, didn’t listen to naysayers and took risks to push filmmaking forward. Ever since the the studios took away THX-1138 and American Graffiti, Lucas was determined that HE was going to call the shots on HIS movies. Fans SHOULD know this. Fans SHOULD have appreciated this because it’s the reason we have a Star Wars to love. But no. A bunch of self-important asses charged to the Internet (beginning with Mark A. Altman and his “my childhood has been raped” comments about the SE) and began a decades long campaign to make life miserable for George Lucas. So they could own it. They’ve said so. On originaltrilogy.net guys were openly soliciting other fans to steal prints of the original cuts of IV-VI so that “Star Wars will finally be OURS!” (Their words) This is a dismal day not only for Star Wars but for art. Here was an artist who spent the majority of his life creating arguably the 20th century’s most significant piece of cinema art and a bunch of insane, butthurt fans hounded him until he had to walk away. I know they’re gloating. I know they’ll keep gloating. When the day comes when Lucas finally passes away, the first thing they’ll say is, “Good. Hopefully now we’ll finally get the originals!” I guarantee it.

If this is going to turn into a bash ot.com (not net) thread, it’s not going to be around long.

Forum Moderator

Where were you in '77?

Author
Time

A.) George Lucas has been saying that since he finished ROTS. This is nothing new, someone just decided to ask him again this week.
B.) People here are pricks to people with different opinions. People on other forums are pricks to people with our opinions. The internet is full of pricks and the only way to avoid it is to find your own group of pricks or to not have opinions.
C.) As for as “us” driving George away, it goes both ways. Look no farther than the whole theatrical restoration issue that this entire place is built around to see how he set himself up for this kind of reaction.
D.) Really, what the hell are you doing here? If you’re familiar enough with this place to know that we’re who you’re angry with, you must know that no one here is going to care.
E.) This “if you’re not on board with absolutely everything Lucas does you’re the problem” mentality is complete bullshit. Yes, he started it. Yes, we’re indebted to him for the whole thing. No, that doesn’t give him infallibility in perpetuity for all matters Star Wars related. It’s bigger than any one person by now and he’s displayed time and again that he’s out of touch with a huge segment of his fanbase. Against all expectations, he had the grace three years ago to pass the torch and walk away. Star Wars was not wrenched from him; he gave it up, whether his cheering section realizes it or not.
F.) Christ, I was just defending the guy in another thread a few hours ago and I thought I was flustered about that. Thanks for reminding me that I’m with the right group of pricks.

Author
Time

fullmetal777 said:

I just want to thank all you “fans” for disrespecting and bullying me for liking the prequels all these years and for disrespecting George Lucas, the man who created SW, and for continuing to push your conspiracy theories that he had nothing to do with SW creation (it was all Kurtz, Right?). You have finally won. Star Wars is dead to me. I want nothing to do with Disney Star Wars…now that they chose to cater to you guys…congratulations to you all…

Author
Time
 (Edited)

The most baffling phrase in the whole rant was “they chose to cater to you guys”. We want exactly one thing from Disney, and not only have they not done it, but they haven’t announced anything that even resembles a plan to do it. All we have gotten is more breathless, baseless Internet rumors, reminding us very much of how little has changed under new ownership.

I’m pretty meh about the whole Lucasfilm/Disney deal on the best of days. But if half of what fullmetal777 is true, then maybe I’ve been too critical.

When the day comes when Lucas finally passes away, the first thing they’ll say is, “Good. Hopefully now we’ll finally get the originals!” I guarantee it.

If it will help you with your guarantee, can this thread be where we can sign up to say this? Also, is yelling from a mountaintop the same thing as saying? That part’s unclear to me.

Marielle Schwengel had much more of an impact on our cultural history than George Lucas, though their methods were similar.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

Author
Time

And it’s all about generations, the issues of fathers and sons and grandfathers, it’s a family soap opera. They call it a space opera, but people don’t realize it’s actually a soap opera, and it’s all about family problems and that kind of… it’s not about spaceships.

The OT, isn’t a soap opera. And especially Star Wars is not about any family realtions at all, it’s just impossible, since the family realtions weren’t yet established. Star Wars is a straight forward fantasy movie, it has the hero’s journey including wizards and magic, everything screems fantasy. Lucas still does not understand what Star Wars is and what people liked about it so much to make it a cultural phenomenon in the 70’s and 80’s.

Ceci n’est pas une signature.

Author
Time
 (Edited)

130 people just died hours away from where I’m typing this and you write a 682 word manifesto because you feel sad about people not liking a movie as much as you do. Need I remind you that you insulted a beloved member of this forum (who was defending a prequel movie, I might add) saying: “Harmy i love you man for all your hard work…that being said…get back to work on that Return of the Jedi 2.0 and stop bitching and whining about movies that came out over 10 years ago…all you guys need to do this…get the f&$@ over the prequels already…it’s lame and you all sound like a bunch of naggy housewives that haven’t had sex in decades…shut up Frink!”

You type troll-worthy tripe like this and feel “bullied” when we reply with Seinfeld GIFs. If you feel this hurt over people’s opinions on a forum dedicated to a film franchise, I would advise you to prepare yourself for the real world.

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

Author
Time

George Lucas said:

A copyright is held in trust by its owner until it ultimately reverts to public domain. American works of art belong to the American public; they are part of our cultural history.

In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.

The public’s interest is ultimately dominant over all other interests. And the proof of that is that even a copyright law only permits the creators and their estate a limited amount of time to enjoy the economic fruits of that work.

Attention should be paid to the interest of those who are yet unborn, who should be able to see this generation as it saw itself, and the past generation as it saw itself.

Forum Moderator
Author
Time

I think we’ll stop it with Tobar’s quote from Lucas.

Forum Moderator