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Hal, you have know idea how much that movie is on my brain right now (if I only had one). Rik and MBJ know the extent of it. Details will emerge soon, but they'll go into "off topic" when the time comes.
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I discovered a serious issue. My apologies if others of you know this and I'm catching on late in the game. This also affects the BOTF discs I circulated a while back, but I'll try to keep the topic in this thread. Apparently the version of DVD-Lab Pro I used to mux both the first BOTF edit (the one with only two streams) and the DL version of my ROTJ edit had a serious bug. Block size was base 1000 instead of 1024 on the output VOBs, rendering them incompatible with some players (not mine, hence I didn't catch it). This does NOT affect the SL version that is currently being torrented, as I used Pinnacle to do the final authoring on the SL version, thus correcting the block size. Same with the 4-subtitle version of BOTF.

You'll know if the DVD was authored with the wrong block size as each of the VOB files will be 953 MB as opposed to the correct 0.99 GB. If it plays fine, then don't worry about it. But if the disc doesn't play, this is a likely cause.

For those of you using DVD-Lab Pro to create your titles, the patches are available that fix this problem. Fortunately for those of you who have DVDs with the 953-sized VOBS, the data can be reauthored on your computer with any number of reauthoring tools. The latest versions of Pinnacle and Nero will do this. I'll spare the details unless there is a demand for that info.
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My BOTF disc apparently is OK, but thanks for the warning.

I am very pleased with the ADigitalMan ROTJ edit. It wasn't an O-OT restoration, but rather, a watchable SE.

I don't think any LD footage was plugged back in, save the Shaw ghost.
The only thing I would've done differently (two things actually) would be to include the Ewok music as it pans back down to Endor. The galactic celebrations can stay, minus the Wesa Free line.
I would have included the original Lapti Nek in it's entirety, pugging in O-OT footage.

But I do like this take on it very much. I look forward to ANH and ESB.

My ONLY request is to PLEASE omit Jabba from appearing in ANH. Especially when you consider BOTF and the MagnoliaFan edits, this would greatly reduce inconsistency. The idea is to keep Jabba as a ROTJ-only character.

Well done.
-Kirk

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A Star Wars fan named "Kirk"?

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I'm for leaving Jabba in ANH, but I'm not overly zealous about it.
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My current plan is to leave Jabba in, but he will have a optional alternate set of subtitles. I've already written them and they look pretty good. Not so redundant. I'd love to get his eyes the right color, but don't know if I'll go to that extreme. We'll see.

Maybe I'll make two versions. Or try a feature with "seamless" branching. Not to dig up that flame-fest from a couple of weeks ago.

Unrelated issue: I need some help in this thread from any of you who are very familiar with burnable DL discs and/or cards with S-video and digital audio outputs. Post replies to that issue in that thread and not here.
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
A Star Wars fan named "Kirk"?


Its Return of the Jedi Jim, but not as we know it

*yep its bad joke time*
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Yeah.... Cap'n isn't a nickname I appreciate.

Anyway, I'm liking the idea of a seamless branching for Jabba.
Just when you look at it the from saga perspective (or even Trilogy perspective) it makes much more sense to omit him. He was removed from TPM, and I don't think a SE addition of him to ANH would be a good idea.

JUSt a thought. Good luck, it promises to be great.

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"Cap'n isn't a nickname I appreciate."

No jokes. Aye, aye, sir.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Just out of curiosity, what's the argument for omitting Jabba from TPM and ANH and having him appear first and only in ROTJ?

Not that I necessarily think it’d be an unwise choice, just wondering what you guys think.
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Originally, that's the way it was. Jabba was only in ROTJ.

Then they added a God-awful CGI skeleton CRAPTHING of him in ANH, much to our dismay. But ideally, he isn't in ANH, since this is merely the Special Edition.

Then he makes a brief cameo in TPM. But in the famed BOTF re-edit of it, Jabba is edited out simply b/c there's no real reason for him to be there and it works much better to just have him appear in ROTJ IMHO.
That's why I think it'd be a much wiser choice to cut the ANH Jabba scene out entirely, to keep with the general O-OT enthusiast concensus.

But a seamless-branching thing works too. I'm interested in what his alternate subitltes will be as well.

Oh and BTW, being a Star Wars buff named Kirk is odd. lol
That's probably why everyone that hears I like Star Wars, they confuse it with Star TREK. So I then have to correct them, and make myself look even MORE geeky.

hehe. But I'm really NOT a geek tho.

I mean, look at this!
http://www.xanga.com/kirkshelton

http://pa.xanga.com/aa/1f/aa1f1885f35dfc5a83debb33401ba09c7569299.jpg

MTFBWY!
-Kirk

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[OT mode]

I have a buddy whose first and middle names are 'James' and 'Kirk'. Not only that, but when he was growing up (in the late '60s, early '70s, no less) he lived on 'Enterprise Drive'.

[/OT mode]
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Well certainly from a "restoring the original trilogy" perspective I understand it for ANH. I did like him in TPM though. I thought it was a neat cameo that brought a little bit of the Original Trilogy in the prequels, which isn't bad, in my opinion.

But to each his own and all that jazz.

In any case I'd love to see both versions with some sweet, sweet seamless branching on an ANH DVD.
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Ahhh, let's just say "seamless branching" a few more times to revel in the fact that nastiness is behind us. Seamless branching, seamless branching, SEAMLESS BRANCHING!

That felt good

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Originally posted by: Tikigod
Well certainly from a "restoring the original trilogy" perspective I understand it for ANH. I did like him in TPM though. I thought it was a neat cameo that brought a little bit of the Original Trilogy in the prequels, which isn't bad, in my opinion.


I'd have to agree with that. And it's nice to see some of Jabba's history as well.

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"And it's nice to see some of Jabba's history as well."

Too bad it's mostly a rehash of what Han told Greedo.

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"And it's nice to see some of Jabba's history as well."

Too bad it's mostly a rehash of what Han told Greedo.


I think he was refering to his appearance in TPM.

In which case, that apperance is so short that it is a nice cameo and really only sets Jabba up as some gambler ring operator, they could have easily used Jorba in that spot (i believe that is Jabba's father, or is it Zorba, either way, some other hut, possibly one that is related but since they dont have last names that would be somethign for the EU/Books to elaborate on)

But i can also see the reason for leaving him to Jedi. Since he really isnt mentioned specifically in the PT, except for the breif scene, it kinda works nicely in this respect. We here about these bad ass Hutts that rule the planet in TPM, then we hear even more about them in Episode IV, and about this specific one, then In Empire its even more about how big and bad Jabba is...then in Jedi we see him and its like bam, heres Jabba, this is what a hut looks like, this is the bad ass Jabba (typing this i would agree with the not seeing a Hutt at all in the PT, it adds to the suspense of who is this Jabba guy)

I think the current PT/OT will work best if watched OT then PT...ideally it should have been written so it works PT then OT as well as OT then PT

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"I think the current PT/OT will work best if watched OT then PT"

Agreed, though I usually stop halfway.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

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THE ADM ROTJ RE-EDIT IS EXCELLENT!!!

ADigitalMan, where did you get that version of (is it) "Lip Nik"??? Anyway whatever the original song in Jabba's Hut is called.

It's about 99% of what I want and like what you stated your goal was, it will be the perfect base for any upcoming project for what I would like to do.

If / when the XO project finishes I would like to put back the original Sarlak and take out the beak thingy. Then ROTJ will be 100%
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The audio for "Lapti Nek" came from the Anthology Boxed Set CD from 1993. The video was simply reassembled shots from the SE to match the music. Notice the greatly reduced role of Joh Yowza. I left in his "introduction" as I kinda felt he was more of a character in the audience yelling out "Play 'Free Bird.'" Essentially, Jabba says "Play it again, Sy" and Joh Yowza yells, "No no no, play Free Bird!!!"
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ADM, would you like a WAV of Lapti Nek from the non-SE LD?

[EDIT] I guess I could just have said "Faces" LD.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Even if ADM doesn't want that wav, I sure do!!
lol

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Anyone know where ADM is?

Oh, and Hal....dude, what's up with the headband?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Sorry guys. Was detained on other matters for a couple of days. Actually making good on that "less time on the boards" comment a couple of weeks ago.

MBJ, that audio clip would be nice, yes.

For all interested, I hope to use Neil's 1997 audio on my ANH project. We did some testing with it over the weekend, and it does synch awesomely. I'm going to noodle it a little bit around the tail stepping sequence (I actually prefer 2004 during that one shot), but other than that, I think this will be my primary audio.

I also think I may include BOTH audio tracks, simply because it becomes an educational experience at that point, putting the project into fair use. But 1997 will be the default from the sounds of things.
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Have you maybe thought about capturing the opening crawl from the "Pre-ANH" DVD on torrent and use it in your edit? Might be nice.

JUST a thought.

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