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"2) In the "Han Shoots First" scene, did you add back the 2 - 3 frames that were taken out of the OT??? All it is is Han saying, "I bet you have", then a blaster flash, then it transfers to Greedo.

As for the 2-3 frames of blaster flash, I feel you could get away w/ adding just one frame since the first 1-2 frames are just a small bit of the flash that barely shows on Han's boot."

It is actually 1 1/2 frames of blaster flash. The frame prior starts to brighten, and then the next frame almost washes Han out, except for some key details, like his boot (as you mentioned). I stole this frame from the LD, and inserted it into the DVD footage, and then truncated the audio to fit (I've only made a stereo version, but I plan on a 5.2 version when I redo the entire DVD.) It looks pretty sweet, just like the LD, but in DVD quality.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Grisan, you continue to be a source of coolness on this board. Thank you. One question: the file had a .jpeg extension on it. Should it have a .mpg extension or an AC3 extension?

Daniel, no frames were added or restored, only deleted. Not a true restoration, but at least a restoration of concept. More later ...


It is an mpeg 2 file (file ending should be mpg or vob) , Mpeg2-video with muxed ac3-audio. You can watch it with a media player of your choice and use a de-multiplexer (Tmpeg etc) to get the ac3 audio.

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Thanks. I've previewed in Windows Media. I'll convert to NTSC, demultiplex and see if the volume levels match at an optimum point. If this works, then I won't have to try to crossfade the two 5.1 tracks. Otherwise, I at least have a great 5.1 source to work with now, which makes a tremendous difference. Again, thank you for helping out. This is awesome!

Just out of curiosity, do they include the English 5.1 mix on your disc? And how is the music mix on ANH?
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Just out of curiosity, do they include the English 5.1 mix on your disc? And how is the music mix on ANH?


The german discs include a german 5.1 EX, english 5.1 EX and the commentary track in 2.0.
I can't tell if there is a problem with the music mix (if you are referring to the problem that the rear channels of music are reversed), because I only have a Prologic II setup.

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The German SDTV SE transfers are really our best hope for some scenes. Even when grabbing off the best laserdiscs with the best players in the world, because of the letterbox format, you are only getting around 270-300 lines (or much less) of resolution compared to the anamorphic lucas DVDs at 480 - 576 lines.
So even if the laserdiscs where a perfect transfer of the original film (which they're not) the quality level is still a lot lower - more so when you look at the other limitations of the laserdisc format.

If anyone can point me at SDTV version of ESB and ROTJ I would be forever in their debt...
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Grisan, I got your clip inserted and it worked great. I had to shift the edit points around a little bit, because the soundtrack didn't quite line up in the same spots. However, I've done it, and it sounds great. If anybody can hear the edit points in or out, I'll be impressed.

I've re-muxed everything and developed a strange error. If I preview in PowerDVD on my drive, the scene with R2 and 3PO talking with Bib Fortuna stutters (like it is freezing on keyframes or something like that). However, if I view the VOB file in Windows Media, the scene plays fine. A curious anomaly. I think I'll take my chances on a burn. I get the feeling the data is just fine, and will read just fine if unfragmented on a silver platter.

I changed the 2.0 track to PCM. Because I had to convert to PCM due to my crossfading technique, I didn't want to lose any more data by recompressing. It fits on the DL disc, so I just left it PCM. I even normalized the track, so it should be a bit louder than the 5.1 mix.

One movie down, one to go!
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Ugh, the problem is definitely not just my computer. For some reason the Bib Fortuna/Droid scene now glitches like crazy. I compressed the video down to a single DVD-R and did a test burn. It freezes on my standalone, just as the full-resolution version does in PowerDVD. Yet, the un-remuxed version plays fine. Could something be happening in the remuxing process that's causing the video to stutter? What would cause such a thing?
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Are the two video segments saved at different bit rates? It could be forcing the DVD player to hiccup, kinda like a layer change.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I've been working on de-se'ing the DVD for a few days now and one thing becomes painfully clear. the Laserdisc doesn't come anywhere close to the DVD for quality. I know people have said it before but I didn't believe just how different it was until seeing it on my own monitor.

so.

my project is diverging a little. I will still finish my laserdisc version which is the original cut. but my DVD edit will basically expunge all the crappy SE stuff that was added and replace only a few shots with LD footage. if neccesary. Mos eisley is the greatest sticking point but what I am going to do is this.

My methodology here is 'to stick to the spirit of the original films' while using the new footage. for mos eisley this is painfully a necessity as this is the worst part of the LD capture I have and no amount of jiggery pokery is going to get it to measure up.

so I am going to reuse the mos eisley CGI footage in a minimal way. eradicate the comedy ronto and spy bot moments and pare it down so that the mos eisley arrival is a minimalist thing that matches the timing of the original approach.

i've already done the stormtroopers on tatooine's surface and that matches the original cut for timing with no scene extension. I've also replaced the lucasfilm logo with text and re-timed the opening crawl so that it is correct.

for the space scenes I'm going to use the LD footage in some areas and I'm going to rework the CGI flyby to match the original film.

more details to come later.
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Sounds like a plan.

Hearing people say how much the LD is behind the DVD in quality sure is depressing.


I still think it might be a good idea to try tampering with De-SEizing the '97 SE. The quality is like night and day between the original, yet not so far ahead that it's impossible to interlace them.

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.

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"and no amount of jiggery pokery is going to get it to measure up."

Are you [Will Smith] "gettin' jiggy with it" ? [/Will Smith]

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Are the two video segments saved at different bit rates? It could be forcing the DVD player to hiccup, kinda like a layer change.


It's happening in the middle of an original video segment that hasn't been altered. The first cut doesn't come for another couple of chapters, and even then, it's still using the same video source. Totally bizarre. I rebuilt my project in DVD-Lab and am remuxing yet again. Perhaps the problem was there, I don't know. If this doesn't work, I'm going to kill the PCM track and try yet again. I think it was fine before this. If it muxes fine without the PCM track, I'll convert the PCM back to AC3 (damn the quality) and try yet again.

Interestingly, the part where I've used a separate video source (restoring Shaw) plays fine.
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no amount of jiggery pokery, (unless you happen to be Mverta)

I suppose 97 SE LD + faces LD might work, at least you are working from a similar baseline regards resolution. and there in lies my problem. all I have to work with in this instance is DE LD capture + DVD SE so the step between the two with the tools I have to work with is just too great.
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Tellan, I think you're on the right track with the notion of having two versions of the movie: the O-OT based on the LD and a Special Edition that's watchable, based on the DVD. The latter is what my project has turned into. The only LD footage I've used is that of Shaw-as-ghost, and it wasn't problematic as other LD-source video would be, given the nature of the ghost effect.
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Tellan, I think you're on the right track with the notion of having two versions of the movie: the O-OT based on the LD and a Special Edition that's watchable, based on the DVD. The latter is what my project has turned into. The only LD footage I've used is that of Shaw-as-ghost, and it wasn't problematic as other LD-source video would be, given the nature of the ghost effect.


I posted a DVD-quality clip of Shaw-as-ghost a while ago. Why didn't you use that? I could repost it if you want.

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Could you, please?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Could you, please?



Get it here:
http://ice.prohosting.com/~grisan/shawghost_rename_to_m2v.jpg

-PAL mpeg 2 video stream only, 10 Mb

Use a download manager or wget or something similar to download it and rename to *.m2v.


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Originally posted by: grisan

I posted a DVD-quality clip of Shaw-as-ghost a while ago. Why didn't you use that? I could repost it if you want.


I did. And I can't thank you enough. It's been a wonderful source for the project.

By the way, I've just re-converted the PCM track to stereo, remuxed for the upteenth time, and the stuttering problem is gone. At last, I can put this movie to bed. Just as my wife just said from the next room "You do realize they're just movies, correct?"

Now, onto correcting those saber shots in ANH.
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"At last, I can put this movie to bed. Just as my wife just said from the next room "You do realize they're just movies, correct?"

I think maybe she's jealous, because the only thing getting "put to bed" is these films. Maybe if you let her help out with your "saber shots"....





Okay, I'll shut up now.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I have the '97 SE LD's if anyone wants to borrow them.

Also, wives really do not get "The Coolness Factor". What is up w/ that???
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Actually, what we should do is send your '97 LD's to Laserman's source (under orders not to name.)

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I think we can forget about the 97 LDs and use the SDTV rips that are out there, they are far far better quality than what is on the laserdiscs.
I have another project going in addition to 'The X0 Project' (TM) lol.
I am going to keep that name as so many different people are going to be responsible for bringing it to fruition that I'm not going to stick my name on it as 'mine'.

I will be able to post screenshots from both projects next week.

Bare in mind that my main aim here is to archive the trilogy in the best way possible, not anything else as such. Just getting the best source footage possible - The rest will be up to you guys.
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
I think maybe she's jealous, because the only thing getting "put to bed" is these films. Maybe if you let her help out with your "saber shots"....
Originally posted by: Laserman
Bare in mind ...

I shouldn't even need to draw the tacet relationship between these two posts ...
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Actually, my mind is usually Bare....