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Post #80683

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Shimraa
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Myths
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4-Dec-2004, 10:46 PM
Ok I really don't want to get back in the habit of posting but I just have to get involved in this discussion about evolution but from what I can tell it seems like a bunch of people just throwing stuff out. please if you were involved in the discussion read all of this post i put alot of time into it, time that took me away from studying for exams. i know its long but take the time and bare with me i only spent as much time as it took to write it so it is unedited asides from a spell check.

I'll begin by stating what I am. I am a creationist and an evolutionist. I believe that god in-fact did indeed create the universe and all that is. I do not believe that he came here the earth specifically and put human beings here and other forms of complex life. I believe that evolution is something that he made so that life could exist and change by itself.

I have debated many people on evolution and so I have heard many if not the large majority of points from both sides.

I will start with one misconception that really makes me mad. It makes me mad because it shows that some one thinks they know what they are talking about when it is obvious they don’t. That is the idea that the second law of thermodynamics disproves evolution. The fact is that it has nothing to do with evolution. The second law states that many THERMODYNAMIC PROCESSES will only go in one direction (university physics pg 754) e.g. heat will only flow from a hotter body to a colder body, why because the more heat something has the more random it is. if you can imagine a block of matter lets say its water at 0 C if you were to look at the particles in that block even thou the block is solid the particles are in movement even though the block it solid its particles are in random motion they are moving slow but they are still in random motion thus they can be in random places in the block of matter. Now if you looked at this same block at 0 K or absolute zero nothing is moving. The block one could say is in prefect order. Now if you were to vaporize this block of water you would now have particles from that block flying everywhere moving in very random paths. So heat goes from a hotter body to a colder body because the randomness of the colder body will increase, or in other words there is greater entropy. Now that I have told you this entire how does this have anything to do with evolution. The idea of survival of the fittest. It DOESN'T that is why when people bring it up it really annoys me.

Next ill will explain the theory of evolution to people because from what I have read it is not very clear. There are two types of evolution, micro-evolution and macro-evolution. Microevolution is a fact it happens it might as well be a law cus it is the reason we have super bugs (antibiotic resistant diseases) and it is the reason we can make immunizations and so on. The second type of evolution is macro evolution. It should be noted that Darwin’s theory of evolution primarily talks about the above, not macroevolution. Currently there is one theory of macroevolution, and I found it quite funny that one of the jokes on this thread was very close to what it is. I can remember the name of it off the top of my head but it states that at certain times in earths history, for some unknown reason the genetic pool of life becomes unbalanced, this unbalance creating many new species, and then after a very shot time it stops. Evidence for these sorts of unbalances can be found in the fossil records. Some of them occur after mass extinctions. 4 the time of 65 million years ago there were dinosaurs reptiles galore. But after all we see are mammals (galore) why? It’s not known. It is thought that this happened because the death of the dinosaurs created thousands of new niches in the biosphere and in a rush to fill those niches species changed dramatically. The only analogy I can think of is that it was like water breaking a damn, before you have the damn and a reservoir, after the land is changed dramatically. However there are other instances that have been seen where there was not a mass extinction to go with the unbalance an example of this is how for give me on the specifics here I think it was homo habilas however it could have been Homo erectus. anyway what occurred was before a point in history I think about 1 million years ago, there was only homo habilus but within a very short time after that its been found that there were 6 new species of homos(do not laugh) previously never seen before, and after that point homo habilus was no longer found. It was noted that all of these species had attributes similar to homo habilus but were distinct species. It is not know why this occurred however it fits the theory. One possible cause of this break in balance was that earth passed through a strange radiation field. It is also thought that these breaks could be caused but Strong solar flares that hit the earth.

Now for the lack of fossil evidences. If the theory above is correct we will never ever find a transition fossil. Why because of all the conditions that have to be filled for something to be fossilized. Let’s look at my friend Dino. Dino is an animal from 65 million years ago. in order for Dino to die and be fossilize he has to done one of the following, fall into a pit of tar(we won't find him if he does this but he will be fossilized for a time) second die in a desert and hope that he gets covered up quickly by a dust storm. 3rd fall in a lake and home that he is heavy enough to sink into the mud at the bottom b4 the organism of the sea eat him. fall into quick sand.( if he does this we will then we might find him, if we dig in exactly the right place at exactly the right depth.) 4th he can get lost deep in a cave and hope that he is deep enough that the air is stagnate( not sure if that is the right word) he could get covered in ache but he has to be far enough so that he dies and doesn’t get burned and that he is close enough that he will be completely covered in ache, or he could get frozen and if he accomplishes any of these feats now he needs to ensure that his bones decay properly so that they can be preserved in rock. something that is not often know about fossils is that the old the fossil the less real bone is in it, that is why we cant clone a dinosaur with its fossils because there is no bone and thus no complete DNA. Now once he has been fossilized and you can tell it is very hard to get fossilized he has to stay intact to the present day. to do this he must avoid being eaten by the earth through plate tectonics, or being crushed by rock pressure caused by tectonic plates, he has to avoid erosion, and has to be pushed up to the surface with rock pressure caused by tectonic plates at this exact point in all of time so that we can find him also it has to come up at the right place i.e. a desolate place where there isn’t much water or anything. If it comes up in a forest the roots of the plants will destroy it, if it comes up in the ocean we won’t ever find it.

The above is why fossils are rare and why we will never find a fossil proving the theory of macroevolution, because it will be almost impossible to find a specific animal that went through all of the processes above and that existed in a 1000 year gap in a total fossil history of around 1.5 billion years. Let me just say this as a side note if it were easy to be fossilized then we would have fossils all over the place. The fact is we don’t. It also assumed that the fossil record is a complete dictionary of past life. This is not true. I would say that we have probably have a fossil of around of millionth maybe even a billionth of all the life that has existed on earth (excluding bacteria and that is a big extraction.)


one last thing some one asked why dont we see transition fossils today.the other theory of marcoevolution, that things jsut evolved states that there should be transiti