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Zion...is using original material, and newly created 2004 material that he is creating for the release; ergo it is not an original Star Wars movie.

Again, I fail to see how touching up a few frames of post-production special effects shots is grounds for calling this a completely different movie. Similarly, I fail to see how adding the wampa scene is grounds for calling 1997 ESB a completely different movie.

Lastly, I fail to see how anything after the line I quoted makes any sense at all.

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Originally posted by: zion
I fail to see how adding the wampa scene is grounds for calling 1997 ESB a completely different movie.
Did it exisit in 1980? could it have been released in that form in 1980?
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Daniel, you have a way of going off on tangents that don't really relate to this argument.

This debate about what the OT actually is is not worth arguing. It is just pedantics.

The point is that any copies should be made in the pursuit of representing the films' true forms. We can all agree that no-one knows what the the true forms of the films are. But at least the different transfers should be pursuits with this goal in mind! To represent the true forms, which is open to interpretation.

But an "interpretation of the true films" does not extend to fixing up the special effects. Anyone doing this does not have the goal of preservation in mind!

Can we stop that line of argument now? If you don't understand how this post completely nullifies that argument then please read it again slowly.


Now, what the debate actually is is about morals. DanielB and I believe it is morally wrong for you to change the films. Zion and MBJ disagree, and that's fine, that is their opinion. DanielB and myself use terms like "should", and "have no right" in the moral sense. Next someone says "Of couse they have the right to do whatever they want with the films" - this is changing the argument to rights in the legal sense, and yes, I agree that no-one can stop them from doing it. Please don't mix up our words, nor create arguments about our use of the words 'should', 'shouldn't', 'right' and 'wrong'. We have the mentality that is shared by historians and scientists - that history should not be changed. Zion and MBJ don't have this mentality and that is the opinion we are arguing.

If editing the films shows contempt, then Lucas must not love Star Wars at all..

That's exactly my point. He does not love the original trilogy, and he edited them out of vanity.
We do love the OT and that's what we're all here trying to preserve! But editing the films again shows that you do not love the films, because you see the need to change them. Like it or not, the dodgy effects are a part of the original films, and to "fix" them shows you hate the films the way they were originally!

I fail to see how touching up a few frames of post-production special effects shots is grounds for calling this a completely different movie.


It is a completely different movie in historical terms. It is a copy that was not made to try to represent the original films, but one that was purposely edited to make it something else.
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Their argument crumbles anyway. MBJ and Zion both agree that 1. you can't notice the changes, and 2. they don't matter. They seem to use this argument in the sense that we should therefore accept the changes. But in doing so it raises two counter questions. 1. if you can't notice the changes, why put them there? and 2. if they don't matter than why does it matter so much to have them edited?

The simple answer, I think is capitalism and censorship. As any true american they don't want to move over for anyone. They want to have control over practically everything that effects them, even if it also effects others. They don't see the problem with this. They'll swear the changes don't matter - but what they're really saying is "what I'm doing shouldn't matter to you, because you don't tell me what to do. I do what I want to do my way whenever I want to do it". And Tikigod is right, the changes might well be comparatable to changing one stroke of a picasso painting. However isn't that in disrespect to the original work?

People wanted you to give them water. But instead you made lemonade and said "this will do, whether you like it or not".
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And the Beat goes on...........

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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Originally posted by: Rikter
And the Beat goes on...........
If you've got nothing constructive to say Rik, may I suggest youl simply observe. Not one person in this thread is not fustrated, so we're all in the same boat there.
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I'm not frustrated - I think it's funny...

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"MeBeJedi I just spent the better part of an hour deleting spyware shit that my 12-year-old brother infected the PC with. You seem to be the kind of person that would claim it is your right to put in an EULA "we will put some invasive software on your PC" - without actually saying it like that, and making it seem more normal, and then use bait-software to infect people with invasive software that earns you revenue. That of course is not your right, and it is a completely illegal contract under Australian law. To explain this to you so you'd actually understand would take hours, so I'll give you the basic picture."

LOL. Making up more bullshit to paint me as the bad guy. Can you really not get over the fact that the people in your own thread support me over you? Is anyone else getting as big a laugh over these gross mischaracterizations as I am?

(BTW, it WAS me who put the Spyware on your computer. Speaking of which, what the Hell's up with all the migdet porn? )

"that is illegal."

SO IS MAKING COPIES OF THE LD'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC! When the fuck are you going to address this simple point? If Lucas is going to go after anyone, it's going to be the person who puts copies on the Internet, moreso than someone who copies the LDs to their harddrive. You, yourself, PMed me (as well as others) for copies, and I know you've given copies away. Until you stop your own "illegal activies", you need to stop accusing everyone else of breaking the law.

"As you can see I'm all for personal rights. I'm not capitalistic, I do not believe in censorship....Now I know how capatalistic America really is."

Mine and Zion's LD's have nothing to do with Capitalism, moron - unless you want to include the money we spent to get the necessary materials for these LD transfers. This is just another sad attempt at blanket mischaracterizations. Hooray for Australia (which, by the way, allows for capitalism within its borders. )

"Please don't mix up our words, nor create arguments about our use of the words 'should', 'shouldn't', 'right' and 'wrong'."

DanielB is the one confusing the word "shouldn't" with "can't", and deliberately focusing on a lesser illegal act (copying/changing LDs) while ignoring a greater illegal act (distributing copies to the public.)

"and to "fix" them shows you hate the films the way they were originally!"

Again, your opinion. If I were to put one of my versions on the internet, and you watched it at regular viewing speed, you wouldn't know if the fixes were there or not.

And as to me "hating" the films the way they were originally - fuck you very much. More blanket mischaracterizations. You guys really need to get a grip on that sort of thing. I've spent far more money, time and effort on these films than you could ever hope to, and intend to work on a "original theatrical" version as well. But hey, if it makes you feel better to paint me as a bad guy in some misguided atttempt to embarrass me into removing the lightsaber fixes, go right on ahead, but it only makes you look small-minded.

"Their argument crumbles anyway."

Not one person has agreed with yours. ONE!

"As any true american they don't want to move over for anyone."

Yeah, I really see you budging. Get off your ass and make your own, crybaby. Oh, "Hooray for Australia" again...

"But instead you made lemonade"

Don't watch it. You'll live.

"Not one person in this thread is not fustrated, so we're all in the same boat there."

Not one person has agreed with yours. ONE!

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I agree with Daniel. At least I think I do. Sometimes I can't tell though.

I just don't think he's very good at arguing, that's all.

Daniel, don't even start to make this a racial thing because that is a)irrelevant b)deconstructive and c)offensive.

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Their argument crumbles anyway. MBJ and Zion both agree that 1. you can't notice the changes, and 2. they don't matter. They seem to use this argument in the sense that we should therefore accept the changes. But in doing so it raises two counter questions. 1. if you can't notice the changes, why put them there? and 2. if they don't matter than why does it matter so much to have them edited?


This, however, is a good point, and one that MBJ and Zion have not presented an argument against.

@MBJ:
I'm not saying you hate the films. I agree that spending time, money and effort on them is showing how you love the films. But if you feel the need to change them, that is showing you don't like them the way they are. Perhaps I'm missing something - why else would you change them?

And I didn't realise you were going to work on a theatrical version, that's certainly great news.
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi

"Making up more bullshit to paint me as the bad guy."
(No, everything I stated was true. If you didn't understand the relevance, then I'll help you. To say one is bound by signing a contract he does not understand is capitalistic. Australian law states that if you do not understand [or are incapable of understanding] what you are signing, then it is not a legal contract. You seem to be of the opinion that if your signature is on a contract, then it doesn't matter if you can understand it - you are bound by it [as is evident by calling what I said bullshit]. This does not help your case, but it does help mine.)

SO IS MAKING COPIES OF THE LD'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC! (No shit!)

When the fuck are you going to address this simple point? (When did I claim it was my right?)

you need to stop accusing everyone else of breaking the law. (As we all know, I didn't accuse you I merely pointed out it is not your right as you claimed it to be.)

If I were to put one of my versions on the internet, and you watched it at regular viewing speed, you wouldn't know if the fixes were there or not. (Capitalism. "If I was to censor the media you wouldn't know because I am the government." Whether or not people know is irrelevant - it's the chance they have to know. If they don't have that chance then it is censorship. For instance, allowing all pro-government media and banning anti-government media is censorship because it limits people's ability to know the truth of the situation. As you would limit one's perception by presenting edited work without noting it's edited. People in 200 years wouldn't know the originals from the 2004 SE's if they couldn't compare to other unaltered work of the time and the originals were denied to them. To spell it out: the argument is null.)

And as to me "hating" the films the way they were originally - fuck you very much. "I move over for no one, I can do whatever I want because I am in control."

I've spent far more money, time and effort on these films than you could ever hope to", which means I have more rights to do what I want."

and intend to work on a "original theatrical" version as well. (Good.)

Not one person has agreed with yours. ONE! (Who are you trying to convince? Me? The silent voices? The undecided? What a capitalistic statement. I'm attacking your argument, but I'm not attacking its popularity, or counting the number you've got hanging out of your butt.)
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Skeg, I don't see how making comments to American culture is wrong. For instance, America is the fattest nation in the world with 29% of people overweight. Australia is about 20%. Both these figures are extremely excessive when you consider that the human body is not made to become fat, it has to be abused to become so. So one can conclude that 29% of Americans abuse their bodies to the point where their body weight exceeds the limits that your body should be. This is of course all based on solid fact.

Does it offend? You bet it does. But it's the truth, and if the truth hurts then do something about it. Don't complain that the truth is wrong. America is more capitalistic. This is what fuels the popular belief that tolerance means we have to accept everything everyone does, regardless of what we believe to be right and wrong because their opinion of right and wrong is equal to ours. (The real non-capitalistic definition of tolerance is bearing other's faults - being able to say that they are "mistaken").

The difference here, is that if someone's fat the capitalistic person will say "oh you're just big-boned" or "don't worry about it, it's normal" or "you're looking good". None of which are honest, none of which are helpful or constructive. I on the other hand will not tell white lies. I believe that lying under any circumstances devalues the truth, tells the person you lie to that they aren't worth the truth and encourages distrust and dishonesty. I also know that one white lie on its own may not make much difference, but more and more certainly do, and it is not a positive difference. Why is this a difference?

The capitalistic person believes it is his right to lie.

And sometimes it can be really hard to shake that popular belief. But what would society be like if people all said "I do not have a right to lie"? Can you see how positive it would be?

Back on topic next post, but I thought I should explain this.
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GUYS - please man, your Language guys it getting very foul......

There are youngsters that browse our forums.

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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Daniel,
All of those things may be true. I am not putting my opinion up about any of it.

Here's my point:
If you start making racist comments, people quickly get offended by them. Then the argument is over. No-one will want to stay in a discussion that becomes personal. How does that help whatever cause you are arguing?

I think you should just drop it with the anti-US stuff.
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Rik, MBJ is very abusive in his language. I know I can be abusive too - however he chooses to express himself, it's not going to prove his point. Once he learns that he might calm down a bit, but that's up to him. On the other hand, you make good advice, I shall try to continue this thread in a positive fashion.

Now I have a friend I've known for many years. Traditionally we've gone to the same Church, grown up in decent families - and a good city. He's 23. One thing that bothers me about him is he will lie to other people quite frequently. I do my best to tolerate this - in understanding that he is merely mistaking and though he should know better, I can't force him to behave differently. He will lie to his family, whom he loves. To his friends - to anyone at anytime. He does it because he feels it is his right. I have on a couple of occasions confronted him about it, but his attitude was capitalistic "you can't tell me what to do" and "I like lying".

If everyone else too confronted him, then he'd realize "hey, this could be a problem".

That's what I put to you MeBeJedi. Instead of counting the number of people who tell you this, decide for yourself are you going to listen to what I have to say? I don't waste time bullshitting like you claimed I do. You however will talk about all sorts of tangents to avoid the real discussion. Now I know there are other people who would tell my friend the same thing I did, if they believed it was right to do so. However they believe it is wrong to, they believe tolerance means accepting what other people do without confrontation.

Is the effort I've put into trying to tell you this not worth anything?
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I cannot stress this enough: He lies because he believes it is his right.

Only a mature person would conclude that lying is not his right.

Skeg it's important to my argument, sorry if it offends you. Australian society is not too different. My point is just that he's grown up in a capatalistic society that have forced their views on him. But he can rise above it.
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it doesn't offend me, but I know that it will offend someone else. If that is part of your argument then that's not an argument you should be making.

You are not qualified to psychoanalyse any individual here, nor the country they were born in as a whole.

oh and capitalism has nothing to do with censorship, control or beliefs. It is simply an economic system of a country. Quit calling it that.
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Originally posted by: skeg64
oh and capitalism has nothing to do with censorship, control or beliefs. It is simply an economic system of a country. Quit calling it that.


exactly. and that has no bearing at all on the topic under discussion anyway. Seems to me that you have more of a problem with (your perception of) the American way of life (which you lump, inaccurately) under the heading of capitalism) than you do of the changes MeBeJedi made to the 7? lightsaber frames.

what im wondering is how does that fact that 29% of Americans are fat relate to releasing an illegal bootleg of a dvd, 100% true to the original version or not?

Can we please keep the discussion on topic, though im not even sure what that is anymore.

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"I agree with Daniel. At least I think I do. Sometimes I can't tell though."

Do you believe my changes amount to censorship?

Do you believe my changes are the product of, or result in inceasing or descreasing Capitalism?

Do you believe my changes have anything to do with EULA?

Do you believe my changes have anything to do with contractual law?

Do you believe my changes promote Australia over America? (I'd love to hear Laserman weigh in on this one.)

So far as I can see, your answers are going to be "no". Insofar as agreeing the tranfers shouldn't be altered, I know you agree with him, and that's fine, but I made in clear in my thread MONTHS AGO that I was planning on an "original" transfer as well. Whatever made you guys think I was only capable (legally or morally) of making only one transfer is beyond me.

"No, everything I stated was true."

No. It's all bullcrap and opinion. You know nothing of my stance or beliefs on EULA or contractual law, and yet here you are, telling everyone about who I am. Considering how many of your PMs I've ignored in the past, how the hell can you know these things?
"Their argument crumbles anyway. MBJ and Zion both agree that 1. you can't notice the changes, and 2. they don't matter. They seem to use this argument in the sense that we should therefore accept the changes. But in doing so it raises two counter questions. 1. if you can't notice the changes, why put them there? and 2. if they don't matter than why does it matter so much to have them edited?

This, however, is a good point, and one that MBJ and Zion have not presented an argument against. "
First of all, I don't have to satisfy anyone's answers in regards to my transfer (you know, that whole "personal rights" thing you were talking about - despite the fact you keep insisting I don't have the right to make these changes to begin with.)

Secondly, just to make everything nice and simple and clear - WHEN YOU SPEND A MONTH WORKING ON THESE FILMS FRAME BY FRAME (you know, actually putting time and effort into the best transfer possible? Oh no, you two wouldn't know JACK about that...my bad. ), THESE LITTLE THINGS TEND TO STICK OUT. SINCE COMBUSTION MAKES SUCH CORRECTIONS NICE AND EASY, I DECIDED TO TRY IT OUT ON THESE SCENES. GUESS WHAT? IT WORKS GREAT!

See....at no point was I thinking about censorship, EULA, contractual law, or the superiority of America over Australia. I JUST DID IT BECAUSE I COULD. If Daniel really wants to bitch about it, he can complain to Laserman, a fellow Australian, for giving me the software in the first place.

In fact, Laserman, a fellow Australian. had no problem with the changes!?! According to you, this should be impossible. Of course, this presumes your opinion is "true", which of course, it isn't. In fact, he, like many others, have told you to make your own transfer, and your only response is "That's what Lucas would say", so apparently anyone who makes their own transfer is a dirty capitalistic American - too bad for Dr. Gonzo, TR47, ISOMIX, moth3r, etc. and anyone else who makes their own transfer.

Of course, you'll probably say something along the lines of "Theirs is like Lucas'", to which I would respond that theirs are also made by different versions of the various NTSC LDs, which you repeatedly call inferior to the PAL versions. Since they obviously aren't using the best version possible, then you should call them out on their lack of love in regards to making the truest version possible. Also, since you, yourself live in PAL land, YOU SHOULD MAKE YOUR OWN DAMN "LUCAS-PERFECT" TRANSFER!

Speaking of which, Lucas had to become quite the capitalist in order to fund and create the OT to begin with. Capitalism made these films that you love so much, and don't want changed! Any comment on that disparity?

"You seem to be of the opinion that if your signature is on a contract, then it doesn't matter if you can understand it - you are bound by it [as is evident by calling what I said bullcrap]. This does not help your case, but it does help mine.)"

Take some time to read through this thread - not one person accepts your "case". ONE!

"SO IS MAKING COPIES OF THE LD'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC! (No shit!)
When the hell are you going to address this simple point? (When did I claim it was my right?)
you need to stop accusing everyone else of breaking the law. (As we all know, I didn't accuse you I merely pointed out it is not your right as you claimed it to be.)"


First of all, if you are telling someone they are doing something illegal, you are telling them that they are breaking the law. Those things are kinda synonymous, at least in American.

Secondly, let me point out the retardness of your stance. You and I are both speeding down the highway (we both help distribute LD copies). You look over at me in my car and start screaming at me because I am driving without a seatbelt (making changes in my transfer). You claim that, in a legal sense, it's a greater offense to make these changes than the original speeding (or, at least, you continue to focus on the changes, and ignore the speeding issue altogether.) You know what the cops are going to notice first? THE SPEEDING (distributing LD copies.)

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"(Capitalism. "If I was to censor the media you wouldn't know because I am the government."

Bwah-ha-ha-ha - Capitalism: An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.

You don't even know what the Hell capitalism (or even censorship) really is, AND THESE ARE THE MAJOR BASIS OF YOUR ARGUMENT. Just goes to show the "worth" of your argument.

"I move over for no one, I can do whatever I want because I am in control."

You've not budged either, and YES, I AM in control of my transfer. Sucks to be you.

"(Who are you trying to convince? Me?"

...as is everyone else who has responded in this thread. So much for my changes being such an earth-shattering affront to SW fans everywhere. LOL!

"The silent voices? The undecided?"

According to you, they don't matter....you know, "the number you've got hanging out of your butt.", or at least wish you did in this thread. Of course, there were these statements...
"S64, i continue to agree with you."

"so we're all in the same boat there."

Seems to me you are trying really hard to make a consensus here. Too bad it's not working (for you, at least.)

"Whether or not people know is irrelevant - it's the chance they have to know."
"You cannot sign something you don't understand and be legally binded to it."

According to you, "knowing" is relevant.

"but I'm not attacking its popularity"

Based on the positive responses I've recieved, you are.

"What a capitalistic statement."

See above about your severe lack of knowledge considering this term. As you said, "knowing" is relevant.

"Skeg, I don't see how making comments to American culture is wrong. For instance, America is the fattest nation in the world with 29% of people overweight."

Too bad it has nothing to do with SW LD's, but since you've clearly lost that argument, it's obviously time for you to find something else to poke holes in. LOL! Now, we've simply narrowed it down to "MeBeJedi made changes -> he's an American -> America is bad -> Americans are bad -> MeBeJedi's changes are bad."

So, tell me, skeg64 - are you still in agreement with DanielB?

"That's what I put to you MeBeJedi. Instead of counting the number of people who tell you this, decide for yourself are you going to listen to what I have to say?"

Why should I listen to you over them? Isn't the fact that I am listening to them go against this "My way or the highway" belief you have? No one else has a problem with this anywhere near the same extent as you. Why should I pay attention to the extreme fringe (and a racist one at that?) Why should I change my mind for you, when you have utter contempt for Americans as a whole? (Ironic coming from someone whose country started as a penal colony. )

Case in point: "I cannot stress this enough: He lies because he believes it is his right."

Futhermore, why would someone who claims to believe in "personal rights" have a problem with someone else exercising their own "personal right". I guess their rights end where yours begin? LOL!

"The capitalistic person believes it is his right to lie."

The way you lied about my stance on EULA? Did Laserman lie when he complimented my work?

"he's grown up in a capatalistic society that have forced their views on him. But he can rise above it."

You are so far gone, it's not even funny anymore. BTW, are you also accusing everyone else in this thread who agrees with me as lying without knowing about it? Does this apply to Laserman as well?

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<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
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BTW, a plea to all skinny non-Americans - PLEASE GIVE YOUR INPUT. We need to hear from the fans who don't unconciously lie to themselves! What say you about this issue?

Fine. I deleted it.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Their argument crumbles anyway. MBJ and Zion both agree that 1. you can't notice the changes, and 2. they don't matter. They seem to use this argument in the sense that we should therefore accept the changes. But in doing so it raises two counter questions. 1. if you can't notice the changes, why put them there? and 2. if they don't matter than why does it matter so much to have them edited?

The simple answer, I think is capitalism and censorship. As any true american they don't want to move over for anyone. They want to have control over practically everything that effects them, even if it also effects others. They don't see the problem with this. They'll swear the changes don't matter - but what they're really saying is "what I'm doing shouldn't matter to you, because you don't tell me what to do. I do what I want to do my way whenever I want to do it". And Tikigod is right, the changes might well be comparatable to changing one stroke of a picasso painting. However isn't that in disrespect to the original work?

People wanted you to give them water. But instead you made lemonade and said "this will do, whether you like it or not".

You dissapoint me Daniel. It sounds to me like you have personal issues dealing with Americans. Contrary to your belief, we Americans are not a bunch of fat capitalists that refuse to listen to reason. Seems to me you don't know much about our culture and rely on ill-biased stereotypes to formulate your opinion. We shouldn't have to try and look past your personal feelings towards other cultures to see your points. So please, don't play that card again.

All that aside, I for one never said that you can't notice the changes, and I never said that they don't matter. If they didn't matter to me, I wouldn't even bother with them. But like MeBe and I have said numerous times, when you go through frame by frame, things become more noticable. When I view the video back at regular speed, I notice things like the giant hair on the Fox logo right before it fades out or the yellow tape on the last frame of each shot. I also notice the frames where the 1976 ILM team obviously dropped the ball and should have fixed things. When I play back MeBeJedi's fixed saber sequence, you better believe that I notice those 7 fixed frames.

I understand your argument. You oppose us making these changes because it goes against the fundamentals of preservation and alters the films into something you cannot call the "Original Trilogy". I agree with your argument. I agree that you cannot call our versions "originals" and I would be the first one to complain if you did. I am, however, not forcing you to accept anything. It is obvious that you don't agree with what we are doing and that is completely ok. No one is forcing you to watch our versions of the films.

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...and there's not much to discuss civilly. Rather than simply state this is difference of opinion, DanielB has somehow concluded that his opinion is right, and my opinion, as well as that of all the people who support my changes, is clouded by a laundry list of societal evils, and we should all think what he thinks.

Not going to happen, DanielB. Sorry.

"I notice things like the giant hair on the Fox logo right before it fades out"

I wonder if that was in the original theatrical version...

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Hello

Other than the inappropriate use (dare I say "deliberate manipulation"?) of the terms "censorship" and "capitalist" there is one other thing that is irksome to me:

(As we all know, I didn't accuse you I merely pointed out it is not your right as you claimed it to be.)


It should be pointed out that if you reside within North America, be it USA or Canada, you do have a legal right to edit any film copy in your possession. I am unsure about other nations in the World, but in at least these two, you are safe to edit what you please with your mass-produced reproduction.