DrDre said:
kk650 said:
DrDre said:
Although I like your screenshots, the desert scenes are more orange, as they are on the bluray, where the 35 mm frames show it should be more yellow.
You've lost me there. I adjusted your regraded screencaps by removing a bit of blue to get rid of the slight cold feeling. Removing blue makes the image more yellow. I also adjusted the fleshtones to make them less red, not more red.
The only way the desert would look more orange with my adjustments would be if i'd added red, not removed it like I did in this case. As far as I can tell, the hue of the desert in my adjusted screencaps is closer to the hue of the desert in the 35mm screencaps than your regraded screencaps. Am I missing something?
I used one of one of your regrades to construct a color correction model. The basis for my argument is the result I got for this frame:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/147246
To my eyes your regrade is more orange. Analyzing the rock Indy is standing on reveals average RGB values for your regrade [163.9701 118.4535 71.4151]. The same analysis for my regrade gives [158.8538 120.2475 74.3358]. So, more red and less green in your regrade, hence more orange.
I also did the analysis on the original frame I used to make the model:
http://www.screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/146976
The average RGB values for the sand to the left of Indy in your regrade [166.8212 129.9876 91.2088]. The same analysis for my regrade gives [161.0879 130.4117 96.0465]. So, again more red and less green in your regrade, hence more orange. The same analysis for the bluray gives [168.6993 129.3077 89.6064], so your regrade is almost as orange as the bluray.
In this frame for the 35 mm the sky is also pretty blue, so reducing the blue results in a more gray sky like in the bluray.
Oh, I think I understand where you're coming from now.
The adjustments I made were essentially to add yellow to the overall image to counter the slightly cold feeling I was picking up and add yellow and green to the fleshtones to make them less red and more like what I believe fleshtones looked like on 80's film, more 'natural' to that era as such, based on stills from 80's films i've seen. That would cause the reds in the fleshtones and the desert to shift towards orange. That is what you mean by the adjusted screencaps looking more orange, the colour shift from red to orange, rather than orange being added. That process is actually taking you towards the yellow desert of the 35mm prints, if you keep on adding yellow and green to the fleshtones, they would become more yellow and so to would the desert.
The problem with getting the desert as yellow as the 35mm print, if that is your aim, is that the fleshtones would all be completely yellow as well and everybody throughout the film would look like they're suffering from yellow fever. I personally wouldn't focus on the desert or other things in the background being a certain colour, I would focus on the overall colours looking correct to your eyes and especially the fleshtones looking natural, because thats where the viewers eyes are focused on most of the time, and let the rest of the colours come from that.
To my eyes I consider my adjustments to be an improvement on your regrade both in terms of overall colour and fleshtones but this is your project so what matters ultimately is what you prefer. If you like the blues to stand out a little more, like you pointed out in the desert sky, you should leave the blues unchanged. The desert sky in my adjusted shot looks more 'natural' to me but if you want more blue there its totally your call. If you prefer your fleshtones more reddish then leave them as they are.
Something you realise very quickly when you colour grade for a bit is that nothing is ever objectively 'right', it all just comes down to one's own personal preference. This is your project so of course you have the final say. I look forward to watching what you come up with regardless of whether I agree with all your colour choices, you're doing a very thorough job and i'm sure when you finish it'll look great :)