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Post #793105

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John Doom
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Implied starting date of the Empire from OT dialogue
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13-Oct-2015, 3:53 PM

ZkinandBonez said:

I don't see why all four reasons can't apply to Anakin's fall. Politics and Power are basically the same in this situation. Love is possible, but that seems to have been added for dramatic effect in the PT, but then again we don't know what they were planning back then. But considering how Luke and Leia's mother survived Anakin's transformation for some years it seems unlikely. Also I'm not quite sure what you mean by "defeat"? Do you mean his battle with Obi-Wan, because that still counts in the pre-PT canon. It's described in both the novelization of ROTJ and the Guide. Also his wounding serves as a metaphor for his transformation. First of all he becomes someone else physically. The in a sense dies and sells his soul to the devil, or in this case the evil Palpatine, and is resurrected but with a catch; he's now a slave to the emperor. He actually dies when he redeems himself and kills the emperor. He has already died as a good man, and therefore can't have a second life. Also the Empire is clearly a very homogeneous environment, as fascism tends to be, as well as being quite a literal war machine. And that is what Vader is as well, a killing machine. "He's more machine than man now, twisted and evil," that line is actually a pretty good description of the Empire as a whole, or even fascism in general. 
(But enough symbolic analysis/rambling.) 

I couldn't find an age on Bail Organa, but I get the idea that he was supposed to be a lot older than he ended up being in the PT. 
It's not the greatest source, but in the 1980 radio-play of ANH there's a lot of scenes with Bail and he comes of as kind of an old king type of character. It's hard to describe, but I got a sort of Ling Theoden from LOTR vibe from the performance. That's not much to go on, but I think he was supposed to be a somewhat old man.
Mon Mothma's age is kind of weird in the timeline, but not impossible. In ROTJ she would be roughly 50 years old. However she could have been a very young senator. The Guide said that she was the youngest senator ever elected until Leia started representing Alderaan some year prior to ANH. It doesn't give a precise age though, it simply states she was elected at an "early age."

I looked up the Sith and this is literally all it said;
"The mysterious and as-yet-revealed group called the Sith causes great fear in those who know them. They are sometimes called the Dark Lords of the Sith, and Darth Vader has been identified as one of their number."
Literally no help to unravel the mystery there. Either Lucas had no clue what they were, or he was keeping it a secret until the PT-trilogy.

Also I couldn't find any mention of Vader's Castle. Does it have a specific name? I found an entry on the Emperor Citadel, but no castle with Vader's name attached. The again I might have overlook something under a different name.

Well yeah, it could be that he turned into the darkside for four reasons. By "defeat" I mean that, as Lucas suggested in the commentaries, he faced the Emperor, but was defeated, losing most of his Force (basically, Luke's path went wrong). And maybe he was then brainwashed by the Emperor (just my guess). Fact is that this interpretation makes Anakin's fall against his will. The OT's dialogues seem confirm that this was Anakin's fate.

I can't believe the word "sith", used everywhere on books and comics, was never explained! :D I'd go for the jedi-hunter order, but I can't prove it :\

I'm not sure Vader's castle had a name back then. It was mentioned in an early ESB draft, but the idea was probably rejected.

Thank you very much for the help! :)