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The Cowclops Transfers (a.k.a. the PCM audio DVD's, Row47 set) Info and Feedback Thread (Released) — Page 2

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A new version is in the works, so it doesn't matter much. Rowman has fixed copies if you're interested.
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My new DSL line took 18 hours to download ISOMIX'es ANH. I was downloading up to 167 kbps

What program were you using?
I wish I had a Kryptonite cross, because then you could keep both Dracula AND Superman away.
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Netscape and BitTornado. I have DSL through SBC Yahoo.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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SBC Yahoo, good DSL (1536:256, last I checked).

Moll.

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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mmm.. BitTornado, thanks i´m gonna try that, is it like bittorrent where the files get build while downloading them and you can check them anytime or is it like shareaza where you have to wait for the whole file to be downloaded and then the program builds it?

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I just tried it, gives me much better speed and the files get build while downloading them, thanks, sorry everyone for the off-topic posts, this was the last one.
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Just got my TR47 set! Great job! The "A New Hope" transfer is definitely better than the one I made myself. The "extras" discs are amazing!! I love it all! Thanks!!!
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I recently got the TR47 set as well. Now, I'm far from being an audiophile or videophile, but to my simple eyes and ears it looks and sounds fantastic. Great work! It means a lot to finally have the movies I remember (in the form I remember) on DVD. Big thanks!

Though I am looking forward to seeing one of the Faces LD to DVD transfers, for the sake of completeness.
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Excellent picture, Blue Harvest!

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Excellent picture, Blue Harvest!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - Damn that's funny

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Received this set over the weekend and have spot-viewed it for the first time. It has rendered my previous version (which looked like a crappy camcorder pointed at a TV) to being coasters. Literally. I now have an expensive set of three Star Wars coasters thanks to a simple even trade for TR-47.

Can't yet give a very critical review. The picture is fairly nice on my version. A curious wavy-pixellation thing during the darker sequences that is likely the result of the compression down to 4.7GB (I assume), but still, this is probably the cleanest transfer currently in existence. It's the first time I've really been able to sit and watch the OT since the SEs came out, and I'm re-discovering my love for certain things while appreciating some of George's changes at the same time. Mos Eisley is too doggone busy in the SE and I am now appreciating the original version in this entire sequence because of the sparseness. Smugglers could really hide out there, just like in some no-name Mexican town. The sparseness serves the story better. And in Jedi, I still love Lapti-Nek and roll my eyes at Yub Nub.
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Just wait until the new version is finished.. I have gotten some sample AVIs and it blows away the current version, which is still quite good nonetheless. The new version will be virtually indistiguishable from the LDs, although a few minute differences you would only see on a large HDTV may be present. At this point, it will be on DVD5 discs as the DL media is still waayy too expensive to even consider for usage-a comparison was done between a DVD5 size capture and a DVD9 size capture and the difference is insignificant. The new version will have the commentary track and the PCM audio as well as motion menus. Also planned is using the original LD markers as chapter stops like the Gonzo version does. I can't yet say when it will be completed, as quality is paramount over speed, but I will let you all know once it is done.
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@tr47,

this is going to sound quite bolshie but I honestly can't see how you can say a DVD5 version looks the same as a DVD9 version when you are using a PCM soundtrack.

if you've put the original PCM capture audio track on a DVD5, that means you are giving up around 1.2-1.3GB of disc space to the audio. that's a 3rd of the discs capacity which means you have around a 3GB M2v encode file.

on a DVD9 you've got about 8GB useable, something must be up if you've encoded a DVD9 version and it looks no better than a DVD5 encode. seriously

unless you are using a DVD9 DL disc, admirable as it is to retain the original PCM file, you are giving up a lot of space on a DVD5 single layer disc to sound and not picture. parituclarly when you can get a 300mb ac3 file instead.
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TR47, will a DL be made available in this set for those who want one? For those with DL burners, as I understand it, you could burn half the VOBs on one 4.7 and the other half on another, and then the user could reassemble on their own end. Given the cheap cost of 4.7s this may be a solution for those who can reassemble them on their own end. I'm not one of those people (yet) but I am thinking ahead.
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Why not do a DVD5 and DVD9?

Surely all the hard work comes before the encoding - same source AVI not matter what the destination. Or am I missing the point?

You could just spread the VOB files over two DVD5s for distribution and let people put them back together on to a DVD9 and burn them themselves.
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Sorry ADigitalMan, didn't mean to repeat your post, but I guess I started typing mine as you were posting yours.

I guess great minds do think alike.
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i applaud the use of PCM versus ac3. If you cant notice a diff between dvd5 and 9, then lets stick to the format most COMPATIBLE with players (dvd5). dl is too infant to realistically use at this point in time. Wave(uncompressed) versus ac3 (lossy compression)?! the choice is CLEAR. this is the star wars soundtrack/score we are talking here. one of the greatest made, and to even consider using lossy compression on it is insulting. i dont care how much space it takes up.
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I'm a fan of the PCM soundtrack simply because it's a direct rip from the source. That said, MBJ's 5.1 is quite promising (the sample sounded GREAT) due to the hard work that has gone into it. But because PCM is available from the original source, I'm glad it's being preserved on all these different projects. It is, after all, the soundtrack that was purposefully designed to accompany the DE LD. Makes sense that it's being preserved. It is a space hog, and that's why we'll hopefully have it preserved on DL versions of the different sets.

WickedLemon, good minds do think alike.
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let no one misunderstand me here. I didn't say I didn't like PCM, It's nice to have, but in a situation when you have limited space (4.7GB) and are trying to get as best a picture quality as possible, then AC3 sound with good encode is infinitely superior.

same goes for filling the disc with moving menus and trailers etc. my menus are under 35mb, that's 7 images, 7 looping audio tracks for them, + the main film and movie audio.

maximum space for movie image, then a 2.0 dolby stereo Ac3 file made from the PCM recording.

If you're going dual layer then yeah, PCM is great to have, I just think it's a waste of time on a DVD5 that's all. there are better things to use you disk space on.
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I agree with you Tellan. It does cause serious issues with the video on DVD-5. I think we're saying the same thing ... DL just begs to have the PCM soundtrack, while SL begs to have DD2.0 for the sake of the best possible video quality.

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It can cause problems, but if you know what you are doing it doesn't have to. The German SE HD rip is DVD5 size, and it contains a 5.1 and 2 2.0 tracks and looks fine. DVD9 is not always necessary, and is simply too expensive for general use.
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DVD9 is not always necessary, and is simply too expensive for general use.


Maybe for general use. But the burners are very cheap now and the discs will come down in price, just as DVD5 discs, and CDRs before them. have.

All the time there are people here who will spend a few hundred dollars on a new LD player for any improvement in quality, no matter how slight, I'm sure there will be people who will pay the extra couple of dollars for a blank DL disc.

Personally I'm happy with DVD5, but if you're striving for the best possible it seems a bit silly to stop just short of what's possible.
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It's pointless wasting audio quality for the sake of disk space. INMO. Use a 9-pass encode if you have to, the video won't look THAT much better anyway. But there will be a HUGE difference in audio quality.
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The discs are still about $7 a piece for RiData, which is far too expensive for anything other than personal backup copies. I don't see them being feasible for usage for at least another year.
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"That said, MBJ's 5.1 is quite promising (the sample sounded GREAT) due to the hard work that has gone into it."

It sure took a lot of work to find and perfect the process (as opposed to simply dropping the PCM track into any AC3 encoder). I think I posted the directions in one of the threads here.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>