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So did the original animated version of the Lion King *really* have the word "sex" in the stars, or is that just a myth?

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Neglify said:

TV's Frink said:

Nope.

 

 Yep.

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Possessed said:

So did the original animated version of the Lion King *really* have the word "sex" in the stars, or is that just a myth?

Technically, it's "supposed" to be "sfx", as in "special effects"; the word in question was never in the stars, but in the flying leaves.

Nobody sang The Bunny Song in years…

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Danfun128 said:

the word in question was never in the stars

Proving yet again that astrology's nothing but bunk. 

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TV's Frink said:

Neglify said:

TV's Frink said:

Nope.

 

 Yep.

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Danfun128 said:

Possessed said:

So did the original animated version of the Lion King *really* have the word "sex" in the stars, or is that just a myth?

Technically, it's "supposed" to be "sfx", as in "special effects"; the word in question was never in the stars, but in the flying leaves.

 Ah.

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SilverWook said:

twister111 said:

Not a movie but a season of a TV series. Power Rangers Time Force was reedited in response to 9/11 to lessen the shots of exploding buildings and the after effects of the exploding buildings. Complete with an episode eventually being temporarily banned from airing, even tho it was reedited too, because of how it depicted the building destruction in the episode.

So when Disney bought Power Rangers they apparently threw out the original masters of the unreedited versions. Leaving only poor VHS quality backups of the originals that weren't suitable for a home release. So when Saban bought back Power Rangers he was left unable to release the originals due to Disney throwing them out.

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 Wouldn't most, if not all the exploding buildings be in the original Japanese footage though?
Most of it yes, however there's also footage that was reedited from the effects of the buildings getting destroyed. Like debris falling around people that are running away from the destruction that was reedited too. It'd take a restoration effort to try to return the footage to the original and it's a 40 episode season. Considering spending money to make Time Force in the first place caused Saban to loose enough money that he had to sell the entirety of Power Rangers I don't think he's that eager to spend even more money on a restoration effort of it.

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Kepling said:

So my question here is:

What movies, other than the OT Star Wars, have been "updated," then the original "lost?" Star Wars is probably the most famous example of this sort of thing happening, but are there other examples of this phenomenon?

The theatrical PT releases of AOTC and ROTS are "lost" because they have never been made (officially) available on home video, only the modified versions and those are the ones that are provided to broadcasters for TV airings.

Apart from a handful of early home video copies, The Devil's Advocate is unavailable in its original form: several scenes involving the sculpture were modified by WB because of litigation. On my UK DVD, HK VCD and during every TV broadcast that I've watched, the digital blurring is applied.

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=4057

Iron Man was also altered for similar reasons but I wonder how many eagle-eyed people have ever noticed?

http://ironman.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Man_(film)#Home_Media

http://collider.com/iron-man-censored/

If more come to mind, I'll add them.

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ray_afraid said:

The theatrical cut of Disney's Aladdin has never been released, has it?

I only learned about this one last night, after it was mentioned in a documentary.  Apparently it hasn't, although there are a few people claiming on YouTube that they have the original versions on VHS. If that's the case, they could be early releases or pirate copies produced during the theatrical run.

Other films...

Minority Report's theatrical release contained an English subtitle translation of Peter Stormare's Swedish dialogue where he demands that his assistant Greta, "get the hell out of there, wipe your ass, hurry up!" The translation was removed for the home video versions and TV broadcasts. 

Continuing with Spielberg, the theatrical version of Last Crusade allegedly had Julian Glover say, "Precious valuables, your highness. Donated by some of the finest Jewish families in all of Germany." All subsequent versions have omitted the Jewish reference. If anyone who saw LC during the theatrical run can confirm the veracity, I'd appreciate it because this has been disputed for years.

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I never heard of the LC story but now that whole line makes sense. In any case there is no trace of the Jewish reference in the Italian dub (which is always made on the theatrical version and doesn't get touched again for home video, at least not back then in the 90s), so are you sure you didn't deduce that yourself and it became a memory in your head? 

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thxita said:

so are you sure you didn't deduce that yourself and it became a memory in your head? 

For years, IMDB had a reference to it in the alternate versions category. Unfortunately it is no longer present. Perhaps I didn't elaborate properly. I never claimed to have heard the line - because I didn't catch LC during the theatrical run and instead saw it on home video.

There was a forum discussion that I can no longer locate where people confirmed hearing the dialogue when they saw it in the cinema, hence my request for confirmation that it exists or is an urban legend.

Here are some other links where it's mentioned:

http://www.theindyexperience.com/films/last_crusade_alternate_versions.php

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade

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I think what they mean on tvtropes website is that the line was originally in the script and they removed it at the last moment, it might have not being shot at all. I wonder if somebody read it in the novelization and thought it was also in the film.

As for the Indy experience website, they usually just paste information that they find elsewhere (probably it came from the old IMDb), it's not necessarily first hand knowledge.

But if it was indeed in the film, jeez, I wish they had kept it, it makes much more sense.

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JayArgonaut said:

Kepling said:

So my question here is:

What movies, other than the OT Star Wars, have been "updated," then the original "lost?" Star Wars is probably the most famous example of this sort of thing happening, but are there other examples of this phenomenon?

The theatrical PT releases of AOTC and ROTS are "lost" because they have never been made (officially) available on home video, only the modified versions and those are the ones that are provided to broadcasters for TV airings.

Apart from a handful of early home video copies, The Devil's Advocate is unavailable in its original form: several scenes involving the sculpture were modified by WB because of litigation. On my UK DVD, HK VCD and during every TV broadcast that I've watched, the digital blurring is applied.

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=4057

Iron Man was also altered for similar reasons but I wonder how many eagle-eyed people have ever noticed?

http://ironman.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Man_(film)#Home_Media

http://collider.com/iron-man-censored/

If more come to mind, I'll add them.

 The Laserdisc is uncut.

http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/08173/15090/Devil's-Advocate-The

The only way you can identify an uncut Region 1 DVD is the disclaimer on the back of the case.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Devils-Advocate-Original-Unedited-DVD-Release-/262007914445?

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In the film as it currently stands, there's a definite unnatural-sounding pause in Donovan's line, right where the word "Jewish" would've been: "...the finest [blank] families in all of Germany." So the scene almost certainly was shot with Julian Glover saying it as originally scripted.

Personally, I'm much more curious about the claim on IMDB that in the theatrical cut of LC, a close-up of the Zeppelin revealed it was actually the Hindenburg.

If that's true, it was evidently removed due to the obvious anachronism involved -- the film is set in 1938, but the real Hindenburg had been destroyed the previous year.

As with the "finest Jewish families" line, I'm inclined to believe this, largely because in the current cut, when Indy and Henry board the Zeppelin, there's a strikingly ominous music cue that has very little relation to what's happening on-screen.

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The fact is that the pause between "finest" and "families" is there because the Sultan was not happy with his chest of gold items and moved on to see the car, so disappointing Donovan who had expected a much different reaction (what was at stake there is that the Sultan could have not agreed to let them pass into his territory).
However it does leave space for doubt. Furthermore, his lips are unfortunately covered in that moment, due to the Sultan passing in front of him. So, who knows.

About the Hindemburg...

In the comments to this article: http://www.thingsinmovies.com/the-hindenburg-in-indiana-jones-and-the-last-crusade/ one stated

I saw this when it first came out and remember expecting it to be the Hindenburg and then being surprised that it wasn’t. Though I bet it was supposed to be at one point in the creative process.

The ominous music when the Zeppelin is shown can be easily explained by the fact that people associate that type of transportation with disaster, regardless of the specific model of blimp.

EDIT: I've asked these question on an Indiana Jones forum and the ones that do have memories of those moments from 1989 did say that they clearly remember these elements not being there, no "jews" line, no "Hindenburg" name. If it can be of any further evidence, the Zeppelin model used for the film still exists and it has no more details than the ones we see in the film, no Hindenburg stencil.
I think the rumor of an alternate Last Crusade can be easily classified as a legend.

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SilverWook said:

JayArgonaut said:

Kepling said:

So my question here is:

What movies, other than the OT Star Wars, have been "updated," then the original "lost?" Star Wars is probably the most famous example of this sort of thing happening, but are there other examples of this phenomenon?

The theatrical PT releases of AOTC and ROTS are "lost" because they have never been made (officially) available on home video, only the modified versions and those are the ones that are provided to broadcasters for TV airings.

Apart from a handful of early home video copies, The Devil's Advocate is unavailable in its original form: several scenes involving the sculpture were modified by WB because of litigation. On my UK DVD, HK VCD and during every TV broadcast that I've watched, the digital blurring is applied.

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=4057

Iron Man was also altered for similar reasons but I wonder how many eagle-eyed people have ever noticed?

http://ironman.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Man_(film)#Home_Media

http://collider.com/iron-man-censored/

If more come to mind, I'll add them.

 The Laserdisc is uncut.

http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/08173/15090/Devil's-Advocate-The

The only way you can identify an uncut Region 1 DVD is the disclaimer on the back of the case.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Devils-Advocate-Original-Unedited-DVD-Release-/262007914445?

 Thanks for the info. :)

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ray_afraid said:

The theatrical cut of Disney's Aladdin has never been released, has it?

Actually we figured out over on AMPS that in fact there are two theatrical versions of Aladdin. The lyric was altered before some of the theatrical prints were struck (but still in time for the original run), so in fact there are 2 theatrical versions. The censored version is the only one that's been released on home video however.

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Another film to add to the list is Tod Browning's 1931 Dracula -- the original epilogue was cut during re-releases because it was seen to violate the Hays Code. The lone known surviving copy is in such poor quality that the scene is basically un-restorable. 

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thxita said:

The fact is that the pause between "finest" and "families" is there because the Sultan was not happy with his chest of gold items and moved on to see the car, so disappointing Donovan who had expected a much different reaction (what was at stake there is that the Sultan could have not agreed to let them pass into his territory).
However it does leave space for doubt. Furthermore, his lips are unfortunately covered in that moment, due to the Sultan passing in front of him. So, who knows.

About the Hindemburg...

In the comments to this article: http://www.thingsinmovies.com/the-hindenburg-in-indiana-jones-and-the-last-crusade/ one stated

I saw this when it first came out and remember expecting it to be the Hindenburg and then being surprised that it wasn’t. Though I bet it was supposed to be at one point in the creative process.

The ominous music when the Zeppelin is shown can be easily explained by the fact that people associate that type of transportation with disaster, regardless of the specific model of blimp.

EDIT: I've asked these question on an Indiana Jones forum and the ones that do have memories of those moments from 1989 did say that they clearly remember these elements not being there, no "jews" line, no "Hindenburg" name. If it can be of any further evidence, the Zeppelin model used for the film still exists and it has no more details than the ones we see in the film, no Hindenburg stencil.
I think the rumor of an alternate Last Crusade can be easily classified as a legend.

The Zeppelin model not having the Hindenburg name isn't decisive proof. Very likely such a close-up shot of the name would've been filmed with a larger partial model, to avoid having to zoom in way too closely on the much smaller full-length Zeppelin model used for optical mattes of the ship flying.

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ATMachine said:

Another film to add to the list is Tod Browning's 1931 Dracula -- the original epilogue was cut during re-releases because it was seen to violate the Hays Code. The lone known surviving copy is in such poor quality that the scene is basically un-restorable. 

 Ooh, yeah. Good call.

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They are not decisive proof but there is little reason to believe the legend of these two alterations. I'll copy here what has been said so far by some:

the number on the side of the prop is D-138, whilst the Hindenburg was D-LZ129

(this at least prooves that there was no intention to make it the "famous" Hindenburg to begin with, if it was decided later in the post-production who knows... but there is nothing in the archives suggesting a different version)

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Something about the first look at the zeppelin immediately made me laugh, because things have a habit of blowing up around Indy and people knew the eventual fate of the airship. I also remember I wasn't the only one in the theater to make that connection and laugh.

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I saw Last Crusade during the first week or so of its release. I have a pretty good memory and would definitely recall if the zeppelin in the movie was named Hindenburg. 
I do have a pretty specific recollection of the "donated by" line because of its calculation to get a "yeah right" reaction, and there was no mention of the ethnicity of the "donors."

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I saw this when it first came out and remember expecting it to be the Hindenburg and then being surprised that it wasn’t. Though I bet it was supposed to be at one point in the creative process.

The script also says nothing about Jewish families (nor Zeppelin model)

  DONOVAN
		Precious valuables, Your Highness,
		"donated" by some of the finest
		families in all of Germany.

The inverted commas around the word donated are self-explanatory and required no further underlining. "Jewish" would have been an over-kill to the whole dialogue. In any case, considering that here is more evidence towards the non-existance of an alternate theatrical version, I find it hard to hypothesize a different version just based on recollections from people who more than likely expected to hear that line or see that name then their immagination filled the gaps becoming a memory. Especially when there are accounts of people expecting to hear/see those elements and being disappointed for not finding them in the film.

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Doesn't look like this one has been mentioned yet...

Oliver Stone's "Any Given Sunday" was re-edited immediately after it left the theaters. The first set of VHS and DVDs released, along with every other release since, were the Director's Cut. Stone cut the movie down by 6 minutes and has never released the Theatrical Cut, or the scenes he deleted. 

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The theatrical version of A.G.S. has been available on DVD in a BD/DVD combo pack for nearly a year now:

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/12354/anygivensunday.html

I'm also certain that this was the version that I watched on UK TV some years ago and also recently on US cable, either CW or WGN America.

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I didn't know that. Awesome, thanks!

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